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Sujet : Israel is lost.
De : Josjoha (at) *nospam* market.socialism.nl (Jos Boersema)
Groupes : soc.culture.jewish
Date : 31. Dec 2024, 13:33:09
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link: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/NAVb1LHLSls
title: Pro-Israel Crowd ERUPTS At Rabbis Messianic Message For The World!
       Moshiach is Going to Save Us
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Moshiach is going to save you from yourselves ? It is a long wait, isn't
it. Moshe Rabbeinu also basically didn't save you. You had to make the
choice to be good, and only those that did ended up "saved". Essentially
those people saved themselves first, by wanting to be good and doing
good. You could even argue, that they saved others and for that they where
themselves saved, because being good is saving other people, helping other
people. You need to be "saving" someone else, then heaven may come along
and save you in return, or even other good people will do that, and so on.

This is the problem you are in, that you think you are already good, and
worthy to be saved. This is not the case, obviously. You broke the Torah,
you made phony laws: Rambam Shemita 10:8, already this is the start of
the exile, and when you gave up. You are denying each other their land,
meaning you don't want to "save" each other anymore. Hillel the Elder
with his prozbul then, Hillel the author of the exile I guess. You don't
want to "save" each other anymore, with easy loans to be forgiven in
the 7th year. Rambam even added the heter iska, ruining an section of
loans to be made on profit. You do not want to help each other anymore
out of friendliness with business loans, but it must be for greed. You
don't want to be good people anymore.

Since you don't want to save each other anymore, or at least no in these
aspects of the economy, how do you think you will be saved ?

You will not be saved, but rather you will be destroyed, as the Torah
says: 7 times worse, each time. The concentration and death camps will
soon open again, probably (or however the death will come), 7 times
bigger, because you refuse to come back to the truth.

You also did another big crime now, as a people, and that is to ignore
these complaints for many years. You cannot make up for this error later
anymore, when the pressure is on. For your whole life, you cannot correct
this anymore, because you chose to not be good and not be good enough,
when everything seemed easy. When you where given the chance to completely
make up your mind in freedom one way or the other with basically no
concequences, you did _not_ choose the truth, you refused to return to
the Torah. Once you have suffered badly and some have returned to the
Torah, they will know from experience how bad it can get, and therefore
they can not do Teshuvah in completely freedom anymore, in that entire
life. You have thrown this chance away, and for nothing. For your pride
and for your arrogance, which you pretend is your civilized behavior and
being nice ot each other and being horrified with someone saying the
truth to you about your phony sages and your lying Torah. You pretend
that this is rude and therefore you don't have to answer it or listen
to it. This is your phony Hillel, who was so friendly, but he sold you
the poison of the lies which became the exile, with all the horrors it
came with. Where the _actual_ prophets always speaking in loving terms
of Israel ? What did the father of the 12 children say about them, was
he nice to everyone of them, spoke in poetic flowery words about their
wonderful achievements, just like _you right now_ want to hear it, and
nothing else ? This you think to yourself is your civilized behavior,
that you want to be treated nice, but since this is about your crimes and
your betrayals, you still don't want to hear it one way or the other. This
then becomes your arrogance and your misplaced pride. You act the same
as the gentiles with their idols, who are also upset if they get told
the truth about these idols, and they perceive that as being rude. They
worship and submit to their phony idols, and so if someone else does not,
it upsets the idolators, they find it rude and presumptuous, even go as
far as accusing the one who doesn't want to bow down for the stone or
the wood of wanting power over them, as putting himself up as an idol
because he does not want to bow. This is the whole mess you are in,
you went into the ways of the gentiles again, or are these the ones you
married and got into your people, against your orders.

Tying boxes to your head is phony show, it is absurd. It is making
a mockery out of the Torah, you are mocking the God of Israel with
it. Your candlo lighting for Shabbos is breaking the Shabbos. Even that
you broke, even the Shabbos, despite having been told that you should
especially keep to it until the end. The day does not end when a Rabbi
says so. The day ends naturally when you go to sleep for the night,
and night and day should also not be interchanged.

You chose death Israel. You are also responsible for creating the Roman
idolatry system and Islam, both of which fail to have the right to land
for the people, which is a catastrophy for which I don't think there
is a solution. You had already ruined that, before they came along and
made up their religions which are inspired by the Torah that you where
still doing.

You could have corrected the world by now perhaps, or (if you go by
religion), you could have and should have, otherwise God would not have
set this program in motion this way. You had the chance to do it, but
you refused to do it in time. Now we see the rise in technology, and it
is also already past the year 6 000, but still the humans are waging war
like it is normal. You chose to not listen to your Torah, and therefore
you failed to correct the world. It isn't that you created the evil,
but you failed to get rid of the amount of it that you could have.

You need to stop with these liars Hillel and Rambam, and return to the
Torah economy. If you do not, you cannot have a Sovereign Nation, without
making a mess out of it. The problem is that you don't want to think about
anything. You don't want to use your head, just like the idolators. All
this is nothing too complex but you just flat out refuse to do any honest
thinking. It is all mushy mushy emotions with you, and no rationality or
intelligence. When you get told the problem, rather than _think_ about it,
you go into your social emotions and react that way, like a child. You are
"insulted" and "crying" about it. What is the truth, you don't care about,
because "your feelings are hurt" like a 13 year old girl.

You have been warned. It is probably going to be absolutely horrific what
is going to happen to the vast majority of Israel. There will probably
not be many survivors, because you don't want to live the way you need
to. You do not seem to understand or even want to think, that many of
these 'sages' you have, they look like old wise and friendly men with
long beards, but below this facade is a young 14 year old boy without
much of any understanding (I do not refer here to the Rebbe in the
video, I know nothing about him). You fall for the appearance, for the
idol. The Romans also had this, non stop obsessed with whomever was of
age, or dynasties of age, and then they just folded and did what those
ordered them to. How old was Moshe Rabbeinu when he killed the Egyptian
guard, and was ready to go with the Redemption apparently, and well on
time for the 400 years ? You rejected that, and now today you reject
the Redemption, because you want to be idolators and emotion driven,
rather than be serious and rational for a change, to solve a few easy
problems and set things right without all this hell having to occur.

You will make your own choices, and then heaven will draw the
consequences. This is a warning, for your own good. Stop your idolatry
to your phony sages, such as Hillel and Rambam, or face the extreme
consequences.

Stop living in lalaland. Lalaland is collapsing.

*

Someone also replied:

   "Isreal is restored. What is the reason for Moshiachs return now? For
   the Temple?

Reply to that ...

@josboersema1352:

Are you joking I hope ? Israel is restored ?! Where is the Torah. Where
is the Jubilee on land, for starters. Why do they break the Shabbos ? By
law, I refer to the Orthodox, why do they break the Shabbos by law now,
every single Shabbos they break it. Why ? What is restored ?

 * End reply.
 
I feel (heh) Israel is only reacting to these complaints with angry
socially based emotions, like "he is rude" or "not nice" and all kinds
of similar things like this. It seems then that the wedge between Israel
and the Torah is only increasing by complaining to Israel, rather than
that they return to the truth and save themselves, each other and even
the world in the end. It doesn't matter then to explain anything to
them, because every single time it doesn't match their current beliefs,
they are going to react with the opinion and feeling that it is rude,
thus building up their own anger.

There is hence nothing to say to these people, there is no way to reach
them, before the second holocaust comes and deals with things this way.
After that has happened, the vast majority who acts this way, will no
longer be alive, I'm sorry to say - and again they will react to this
with the idea that it is rude. I understand they don't want to die, but
it is them themselves that is killing themselves. They think far too
lightly about all the things they think they are allowed to do and
believe, they think far too lightly about believing books which others
believe, or follow people in nice dress who seem to be civilized, and so
on.

They act the same way as the idolators, who in a big way divide the world
into two: their priests, versus the street thugs with skulls tattoed on
their arms. There are piles of Catholics who think that this is the
choice in the world: organized crime street thugs murderers and beer
obsessed rough people with tattoos and short lives, versus the priests
of the Vatican in their nice white robes and tidy churches who stand for
the good. That's what they think, how they divide the world for
themselves in good and bad, which essentially comes down to: everyone
who does not support our camp, must be in with the criminals. That the
Vatican is one of the world crime groups on Earth, they will perceive
that as absurd and rude, and as some craziness the people from the
criminal street thug camp might say, just to be rude and cause
confusion. They will just quickly block all that out, because they want
to be good, and not even hear what evil has to say. This is how they
"think", which cannot be called thinking. It is more of an emotional
system of tribal fielty without thought.

Everything is boiling down to personal perceptions, to the judgement of
the character, or rather perceived character (because none of them ever
actually talks to me personally), and this judgement will then become
negative if it is critical of Rabbinical Judaism and its Rabbis;
especially when this comes in harsh words (which I didn't at first, but
slowly but surely it escalates because they should have already come
clean on their crimes now, but refused). Come to think of it, having
children makes this worse again, because they taught their children
Rabbinical Judaism and subservience to Hillel and Rambam and so on.
This makes it harder to then admit that these have been the destroyers
of Israel. They would have to admit to miseducating their children, they
may need to confront their own parents about miseducating them, and so
on. This can be socially and emotionally hard to do, it hurts the ego
and the pride. It is then easier to say something like: but what if all
this is just not true, then I can ignore it and not cause myself any
unnecessary trouble for nothing. The wish for that to be true, can then
quickly morphe into the acceptance of it being true by that person, and
then to quickly step away and ignore the issues.

I'm sorry to say, but for these kinds of decisions by the masses of
Israel, the curses section in the Torah seems to have been put in. There
will be an end to these lies, one way or the other, or so the Torah
says. If you lack the courage of an Abraham or a Moshe Rabbeinu, that's
fine if that's your choice. Well it is not fine, but it is your choice.
Eventually, you will just not belong, you will just not be welcome in
the Israel after the Redemption, because you do not have what it takes
to live that life, and to maintain that system of peace & justice. You
would even understand that yourself, you would know that you are weak
minded and merely a follower, filler and a distraction, a potential
breach in the people of ISrael through which the evil and the lies can
come back in. You even yourself would eventually know that, and hence
stay away perhaps even, realizing you never where part of these people
at the essence of it (I guess, gathering from what I read about Israel
and what they are saying about their own history, these people who
joined but shouldn't have, and so on).

If you want this peace and this tranquility of "the good guys" being at
the helm of that society, of your society, you first need to be the
foundation of the truth to that. You need to keep things straight from
your end. If you do not do that, as people have not done that, then you
will end up with corruption in the top of the system, corruption and
crime, lying, abuse, and even unnecessary wars, even the collapse of a
Nation.

I read not long ago something like this: "If moshiach comes and people
support it, I will not even check on it but just go along." I think to
myself, then you don't belong. You are the weak link in the truth and
the Justice. You don't do your part when it matters, you don't take an
interest. You will follow the majority into evil, as the Torah
explicitly forbids, because you think someone else should figure it out
for you, but you also have your own responsibility in this. The Torah
also says: it is not in heaven, it is right in your hand, you can read
ind and understand it, it is not beyond you that you cannot do it, or
that you have to ask what it means.

Israel, you failed. Once you admit that and do better, you can still be
a success. Take that and do what you must do, then all the troubles can
soon be forgotten, and we all live happy ever after I hope.

Turn off your pride, your petty ego, and your obsession with your hat.
lol

Ummm... grow some serious respect and love for your God, the Creator of
everything, the author of your Torah or at least the inspirator if you
want. Start to take this Torah, the WRITTEN Torah of Moshe Rabbeinu, the
Pentateuch and the Prophets that is, and the Tehilin (Psalms) if you
want, a lot more serious and a lot more precise than you have until now.
Stop taking everything as loosely.

Now also stop following random "sages" of the exile. Are they prophets ?
No. Are they Moshe Rabbeinu ? No. They are part of the exile, they have
been exiled. Stop following every odd book because the lettering is
good. Stop listening to the Rabbis of the exile as well, because they
caused this exile, or rather ...

Take a new sense of precision with what these Rabbis are saying, because
there are lies there that you need to get rid off.

Stop with your Kabbalahblablah. We are in *this world* and that is
trouble enough. Since the Kabalablablah doesn't talk about the right to
land and the Jubilee, I concired it a worthless work and a waste of
time. We can deal with heaven when we get there, our problems now are
with violence, with ownership of land and the economy, and things like
that. Living on Earth, that is our job, that is our focus, that is what
we do here. Once we solved all that, who knows, we will bring out the
Kabalah books and it will be great - I don't know, but for now, there is
enough trouble to go around that needs dealing with.

Stop being idolators to your phony sages and your Rabbis. Stop believing
someone just because they got some prestigious papers. Ask them to make
sense out of the Torah ,and if they don't, then talk about it and don't
just give up because you need to fit in with the crowd. Truth is truth,
and if your understanding is wrong, then talk about it so you can be
corrected, this is only helping you also. Don't fake your agreement,
when you really don't understand. Maybe the Rabbi is absolutely right,
but because you said "yes ofcourse" when you didn't understand, you
won't understand. Get precise, stop being mushy mushy emotional with
everything. Get emotional when someone needs help, then help them from
the heart, but Torah is also law, and that requires sometimes an amount
of precision and rationality (apparently!).

The truth is a great uniter, but only for a people who care about the
truth, to find the truth, to think enough to find it, and so on. The
Torah can also be a uniter, because it contains so much truth. This is
your job as being Israel (I guess), uniting around both the truth, and
the Torah, because they are both one.

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Date Sujet#  Auteur
31 Dec 24 * Israel is lost.2Jos Boersema
4 Jan 25 `- Re: Israel is lost.1Jos Boersema

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