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De : Josjoha (at) *nospam* market.socialism.nl (Jos Boersema)
Groupes : soc.culture.jewish
Date : 13. May 2024, 22:25:34
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link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9paLX5_dlHc
title:  Let’s Just Pray For The Messiah!
source: Yossi Paltiel

  Comment: ...

In case someone hasn't noticed it: the world is drowning in debt. The
_national debt_ is a pay debt with debt scheme. It is insane. Germany
had the Weimar debt, also unpayable, also never cancelled. Instead of
cancelling these debts, they cancel _everything else_ because the rich
cannot budge from their objective (greed & power at all cost). It led
to the Nazis, and now it will again lead to a World War, this time it
will be a nuclear war (and probably have depopulation objectives as well).

This matters everything to Judaism, it has everything to do with the
exile it seems. Hillel the Elder instituted the _prosbul,_ which broke
the law of debt cancellation in the 7th year (for poor brothers, fellow
Jews). Many centuries later, Rambam/Maimonides made it worse by creating
a scheme by which Jews can extract _interest_ from their fellow Jews,
called a _heter iska._ Here you see how Rabbinical Judaism has broked
down the Torah, shamelessly and without Teshuvah to this day. The Judilee
on land was also lost, which is probably an even greater crime, but
hard to correct if you have been removed from your lands (which today,
Israel partially is not (!)).

What it all seems to mean, is that Rabbinical Judaism and everyone
who clings to it, belongs in a world where debts are not cancelled,
and where good people try to gain parasitic profit from each other,
no matter the cost and by law. This world is the exile, it is not the
Redemption. Rabbinical Judaism creates this condition, perpetuates it,
and can therefore _never_ be part of the Redemption, until they correct
these issues. It would basically mean to throw the Talmud away, and
many other works, even perhaps _everything_ the Rabbis have done over
the last two thousand years. The only thing left will be the Tanach,
and for the rest it will probably be a long and difficult search for
those people who opposed these treasonous activities, to see if their
works are worthy to be remembered.

You then get the whole logic of how the Jewish people where punished by
the western idolatry religion, as a sort of form of what Hillel the Elder
was doing, and that the Jewish people started to do idolatry at the 2nd
Temple with the so-called Lamp of Helena (worship of the Sun). It is very
sad to see how modern Jewish people do not care about these problems. I
guess it means they cannot be Redeemed.

We are however "at the end", the world is insane, but its technological
power is intense and rapidly growing. If humanity creates another Tyranny
and global war, which they certainly are doing step by step ever so
slowly, it may come to a condition where humanity is better destroyed
and put back in the Stone Age. Rabbinical Judaism cannot be part of the
Redemption. Isaiah already wrote about it, that the teachers of Israel
will be removed by Hashem, because they have taught his people badly. The
Rabbis wasted so much time already. They will become in part guilty over
the second holocaust, and that may be the end of their reign. Hashem will
teach his children himself, so Isaiah seems to say, the Rabbis may never
teach Israel again, or any other teachers calling themselves whatever
they will. The lies just never stop, do they. There seems to be no shame
in the illogical arguments, which seems that it could mean that there is
no logical mind left. Who can accept something as absurd as the _prosbul_
I dare say, you have no logic capacity in your mind whatsoever.

Israel chose death, chose against their God and his Torah. When the second
holocaust happens, 7 times worse than the last one, perhaps it will be
bad enough for a remnant to return, and break away from the control and
propaganda of the Rabbis. I get it though, there is a lot of good in
the Torah, and therefore with the Rabbis also. This makes it hard to
see the poison which is also there. You see, the Rabbis made laws and
laws upon laws, but it doesn't matter so long as the rich and greedy
get their satisfaction. It is quite precisely there where the rich and
greedy want the law to break down, that even the so-called Ultra Orthodox
(if only they where, these reformers) break it down for them. Plutocracy,
it seems to be the disease of all Nations, including Israel.

You made money your God, and the moneyed your King, and now you feign
to not notice it, to not be able to think. It is not credible, in my
view. Nobody can be really be this stupid. It is fraud, there is on other
word for it. Israel betrayed the Torah. Israel is where they belong. If
you want the Geulah and the Redemption, then *live it.* Have a great
day. If you fail to _listen and do_ the consequences are for you. All
I do is compute the Torah of Moshe Rabbeinu for you. I didn't get into
the nitty gritty of the prosbul or heter iska, because doing that never
seemed to help, and it is obvious enough to all but a fool. 'Moshiach' is
unimportant, what is important is _how to live_ and _what is good law._
I'm sorry if this comment sounds upset. Many years I try to get Israel
to stop lying already, never any honest person with a brain I met,
who wanted to be good and who cared for the truth. Gentiles neither,
mind you, that is even more hopeless.

  [Continuing on Usenet ...]

P.S. I think the Jewish people are so invested in their idolatry, that
all they can think about is worshiping authority, and everyone who goes
against their chosen "Sages" is *automatically* perceived as being
wrong (to put it mildly). The mind is just completely blocked. No
ability or will to think about things logically.

To think logically, what I personally do the most is to try to envision
how people behave under various conditions, and under various laws.

Example: Someone gives a loan to a poor person, and then scenario 1: the
loan is demanded back, or scenario 2: the loan is forgiven in the 7th
year. What will the likely results be, etc.

WHen it comes to the prosbul, I think you have to be a fool to maintain
that a loan is a court verdict, when the court is designed to cancel the
loans and enforce that law against people who fail to complay with it.
How obvious does it get ? The whole situation is just absurd, shameless
and absurd.

The Rabbis had a lot of time to do Teshuvah. Not just in these last 10+
years or so, but for centuries already, even right from the fall of the
second Temple and before. They never did. I think therefore that they
probably never will, and the only chance Israel has to live, is to break
with their power. Once they realize how serious it is that they broke
the Torah down and spread false law among their people, and that they
are losing most if not all of their control because of it (yeah I know,
that will not happen quickly), they might be forced to correct
themselves, or a different group of Judges can be installed, who are
loyal and do not behave absurdly, catering for the rich. The jubilee on
land should, of course, be instituted wherever possible (probably more
important, as I always try to add, because just think: having a loan
sometimes when you need it is nice, but having your share of the land is
being free forever, and the rich-and-greedy loose a lot of their control
over you).

I guess it was already a given that Rabbinical Judaism will fail in the
end, just as the other religions will fail, because what is even left of
it if you take out everything which did not oppose the prosbul ?

Israel has chosen death. They chose the death of the poor whose loan was
not cancelled and whose money was destroyed by rent seeking, rather than
to build them up and also give them their land (if they could, which
they can now but do not). Israel was always supposed to choose life;
peace, justice, happiness for all. They sided with the gentiles and the
great ignorance of this world, and it seems many of them will have to
die with this world, as this world will likely collapse and die soon, if
it isn't already collapsing bit by bit, ever so slowly, and descending
into widening wars.

Maybe it is a good thing they will blambe the 'moshiach' for tarrying
and not coming (because "they did everything right, eh" ... pfff). Then
is so blaming, they might leave the holy Nation, and leave the good and
the wise alone to rebuild their lives in peace.

You have been warned (again for the Nth time), and shown a way out (or
at least, a way to improve your condition to a degree). If you do not
listen, then what can I help it that you will suffer the consequences of
your own choices ? Those consequences are there to teach you.

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