The land shall not be sold in perpetuity.

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Sujet : The land shall not be sold in perpetuity.
De : Josjoha (at) *nospam* market.socialism.nl (Jos Boersema)
Groupes : soc.culture.jewish
Date : 19. Jun 2024, 11:35:24
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Good day Shemim,

Thank you for your kind (and speedy) answer. I read on your website that:

By relying on transdisciplinary research, SHEMIM® aims to create
educational and advocacy programs that promote the harmonization of
various systems, thereby building and enhancing economic, cultural,
and social capital.

The program I am suggesting on my website, is a (corrected) economy,
with which I mean that the power in it remains spread out, mainly by the
right to an equal value share of free land for all, but also by other
mechanisms (company ownership is free for all, but transfers to the
employees once a owner leaves that company and the company is larger
than a set amount of employees, and rules which curtail the power of
finance primarely in the area of financing dictatorial businesses).

I realize it is not easy to distribute the land to all, as Jehoshua
ben Nun did with Israel, following the law of Moshe Rabbeinu. However,
it is a 'law' of economics, and in Academia they even know that the land
does not work correctly in a market. All value in a market is supposed to
be and naturally derived from the work people have put in. Work equals
value, roughly. The world, the land, is not made by humans. Land is
the starting point of all work. This topic alone is worth whole books,
so I'll cut it here.

The other possibly interesting part in the program I propose to you, is
the State. We all see how Parliament is not working well enough, and when
I read up on history, I read that generations ago people already knew and
acted to no avail to correct the situation. I have also tried to develop
a system of State, which is a more closely knit form of democracy. This
model is based on the failed Revolutions of 1917 (Germany, Russia),
which aimed to set up a Council Government. I think it failed because
it was not worked out well enough, and other problems such as getting
the economy wrong, and also just doing things too quickly. People need
time to learn & adjust.

See:
https://www.socialism.nl/book4/gratis/Distribute_power-combibook_2.8.pdf
page 429 has some drawings. It can basically forms from 5 Minyans
together. The Minyans also can remain important, called 'sub councils'
in the system, but are somewhat informal. The 50 people together elect a
person to keep that group together, and a delegate and reserve delegate
(three different people). The delegates then find each other and form a
Government local Government, by a minimum of 50 persons. The so formed
Council may grow to any size, but can and should elect in segments a
smaller council if they become unwieldy. So they form Governments over all
necessary sizes, such as areas, villages, cities and the entire Nation.

Then there is the system for a King. I believed it to be necessary,
although I find it a little bit regrettable that people seem to need
it. When I read the Torah of Moshe Rabbeinu, I see a similar regret
about Kingship in Israel from the prophets. I am very impressed with the
Torah of Moshe Rabbeinu, it is a great work. All stops have been pulled
out in order to correct Israel. Unfortunately, it has not achieved
the ultimate at this point. I hope it will still work out. Notice my
proposal is basically about economics, with the State thrown in for good
measure. The Torah of Moshe Rabbeinu is about so much more. I have no
intention to overthrow it, although there are some places of potential
conflict of opinion. For example, I don't agree with the homosexual agenda
and all that, but I also oppose the death penalty (because I am afraid
of human justice being imperfect, but once you have executed someone,
you cannot rectify a mistake anymore, therefore all punishments revert
to forms of punishment which can be undone or at least undone better,
such as imprisonment, fines; needless to say, I find torture abhorrent,
but so does the Torah ...). The program of right to land in the Torah is
also different from mine, but my entire Constitution is merely an example
of how you could potentially implement the 4 goals of power distribution
(land, company ownership, finance and State). You can also do the Torah
system. I suggest to just think things over carefully, but it will be
some time before this can be done truely anyway.

About when and how to implement all this, for this I have proposed a
model of 9 modes of implementation. It is not possible to just slap a
new Constitution over an existing society, and expect that to work. To
implement it all, I have proposed modes of action systematized from
easy and casual to the ultimate if necessary (warfare against Tyranny,
not warfare for conquest). These ways of action are: propaganda and
talking (which we do now); buying fair trade (which in a Jewish sense is
'kosher' goods and services, I guess); setting up and financing democratic
businesses; setting up 'regular' political parties to participate in
Parliament, or whatever makes sense in the pre-existing culture. These
are the easy and casual methods, in increasing strength. Then there is
the setting up of the State (see above), but this just starts as a good
cause organization. Organize on the State system, but only do some good,
like resque stray cats, etc. The rest of the methods are forms of warfare
more or less, to deal with repression on various levels.

I guess that's the main points. I also wrote some democracy voting
software, by the way. It works and was internationally published
about. This adds another level of public control over a potentially
corrupt ruling class.

As you can see, all these systems are basically decision making
systems. Once set up, they make decisions, and that will then be that. You
can live it and hopefully it will all work out well. Sorry to go on
about it (again).

I hope the other Nations will eventually see how well Israel is doing,
and then they also want that. They start to copy Israel, and then
the whole world might end up functioning well, and we can avoid more
(world) wars and Tyranny (etc). Things like building 'the Temple' and
all that, can be decided by these decision making organizations (such
as the State). Since the 3rd Temple is God's thing, I prefer to leave it
open, and think that in the end when it can be done, it will be with the
concent if not demand of the Muslems also. This would be beautiful for
a 'Temple of Peace'. I'm not much of a Temple person, but if it is to
be a seat of the Supreme Court or have other such functions, it could
be. It is even possible that people make sacrifices to a 3rd Temple,
since it is a form of paying a fine on the one hand, and shows to the
people an amount of support for that system, so that they are impressed
and the whole system is strengthened that way (if you know what I mean).

The systems of decision making are hence set up, on various levels
(personal, company, local and national). Therefore I personally will
probably revert to saying nothing, because if I propose the system and
it gets done, the risk is that too many people will mindlessly do what I
say, and that is against the whole purpose and operation of the system. I
personally am the last risk to the system, in some sort of way, although
the King itself is also a form of risk, and other positions also pose
risks, as history has shown (Stalin for example, being supposedly merely
the Chair person of the Government, while in fact being a bloody absolute
Tyrant). The history of Israel shows the same: corrupt Kings, corrupt
(high) Priests, corrupt Sanhedrin chiefs like Hillel the Elder, etc.

Sorry to go on about it. Yes, please just take your good time if you
wish to review this proposal. Do what you want. If you have any counter
arguments or are confused about my unclear writing, perhaps I could help
with it.

It is not likely any group whatsoever will even respond to me writing
them. I have already tried so many times. If you don't do something,
it seems likely nothing will be done. It may be that after the second
holocaust eventually some people start realizing how I have warned them
and everything could have been prevented, how they should have done
Teshuvah for the prosbul and heter iska by then years and years ago,
and who knows how many people could have been saved. It also still is
quite possible that you also will do nothing of course. Which is fine,
you should do what you think is best. If Israel wants to experience
things this way, than that seems like a possibility. It would be similar
to Wold War 2, but likely (going by the Torah) 7 times more intense. The
Teshuvah after the war might also be more intense, and hopefully enough
to cause the Redemption, with likely much fewer Jewish people in the
world than are now alive.

You see the anti-semitism and Fascism rising already everywhere. These
things are not by accident. Criminals are in control in this world,
and they do not want something like the Torah to exist. This means
they have a strategic goal of wiping Israel out, especially those who
are good. I hope you realize that it was the Americans who have helped
finance Hitler, and how Hitler was inspired by America its racist and
slavery laws. USA is not what it claims to be for now. You can see
that in all their other wars. They claim World War 2 was a "good war",
but really it was probably the most vicious and evil wars America has
created for their own benefit. They won, so they control the propaganda
about it. We even learned this in school: the Nazis where financed also
from America, including weapon shipments, through the Dutch 'Bank van
Handel en Scheepvaart'. Thanks to these weapons, the early Nazis could
not be repressed so easily by the German Government. America did the same
again in Ukraine in 2014, and started the process of World War 3. This
is the real world we live in. It cannot go on like this. The bombs are
too big. Time is running out.... but there might with luck still be some
years left before the worst starts to happen.

have a great day,
Jos Boersema
The Netherlands.

[Added on Usenet: there was a short but friendly reply to earlier
 message, saying they needed time to verify what I was writing, and that
 I could try my luck at some of their 'platforms'.]

             Arrogant Israel                                   i
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 humble(d)/listens     deaf/arrogant                           i
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 Redemption options       \                                    i
   1. Torah of Moshe R.    \                                   i
   2. Torah of Moshe R.     \                                  i
      + what I proposed      \                                 i
   3. Something I do not      Punishment, 7 times worse        i
      know about, another     |7 Nazi holocausts in one        i
      program, another        | 7 times a third dies,          i
      redeemer, etc. Note:   /   (²/₃)⁷ = 5.8% survives        i
      this may well not     /                                  i
      even exist, sorry.   /                                   i
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                /       \                     |                i
     Redemption           Punishment 7 times worse             i
     Same as above.        The punishments get worse and worse.i
     No changes.            Eventually almost nobody is left.  i
     Nothing accomplished.   Israel barely exists anymore.     i

This is the loop they are in, the contract they have with their God, the
Creator of everything. They are thinking too highly of themselves, I am
sorry to say. The Rabbis are too impressed with themselves, with their
books, with their mysticism, with their Yeshiva buildings, with their
stature, their income, the classes they can teach, the amazing things
they have discovered. A simple thing though, like reading the Torah law
on debt nullification, somehow they cannot do it. They cannot admit the
lie of the prosbul.

The arrogance becomes punishment, the punishment becomes disappointment,
self doubt, etc. It is a correction cycle. It disrupts their corrupt
establishments, might even (almost) entirely wipe it out, as the Romans
almost did for example, and also the Germans basically wiped out all
Jewish people in large parts of Europe. To no avail to themselves, their
culture has improved nothing because of it, likely it even went down.
Do *they* learn anything ? Not really. Aren't *they* lying with their
culture, their fake religion ? Of course they are, worse than Israel.
This isn't a comparison between Israel and the Nations. It isn't good
enough to be the most humble Nation, if you cannot keep to good enough
laws to stabilize your society under the rule of Justice. Israel is
measured against 'infinite' against 'true Justice and peace', but proves
to be failing. Other Nations, ... sigh.

It isn't good enough to be the least failing Nation. We need an
objective success, we need a Redeemed Israel, forever. You must show the
example, because you are the best, just don't let that get to your heads
like you do now. You may have the best raft of the fleet, but if the
rafts all go down in the storm and yours just went to the bottom the
latest, what's the difference between dead and dead ? It isn't a race to
be the best. It is a race to be good enough to live, and help everyone
else to accomplish the same, so that this sad world can become a happy
world.

You chose death Israel. I hope you fully and completely realize that.
You are in a state of death. What you are doing, is death. It doesn't
matter how much you pray to your God, while breaking his laws. Others
did that before you, and likewise died. Maybe it does matter somewhat,
because you make it easier to stop not being good enough, but unless you
actually do, it might not help you survive now. Does it matter if your
house burns down, because of a small fire, or a big fire ? Does it
matter if your house was clean or dirty, when it burns down ? To a
degree, it matters because it is about your character and your further
future, however for now, the house just burned in both cases, you died
in both cases.

You think you can just pontificate, like the Pope, to make fake laws
like the prosbul. If you fully comprehend that and don't tear your
clothes in guilt, you may have a bigger problem than you know. If you
did though, truly care ... I hope you will live to see the Redemption,
speedily in our days.

Tear your clothes and cry, if not for yourself than for your brothers,
and for all mankind. For you, it means something, it can do something
for you. If I did that, people would just think I am even more crazy
than they thought. ;-)

Return and stop being obstinate. You accomplish nothing. Have you
noticed how Iran is restless, how rage is boiling up in the world
against you ? Iran might not be powerful per person, but they have a lot
of them. How will they fare against you, if your God (who is clearly
also the God of Islam, by the way) sides with them, simply to punish
you, so that you can be helped by this punishment ? How can you survive
that ? Why do you want to hide away again in great fear, why is that
preferrable to just admitting you have followed lies and confusion for
so many generations. Are you afraid of something ? What is it. Are you
even afraid to become your own selves ? Does the truth scare you somehow ?
I don't understand. Is your mind nothing but shallow gossip and
emotions, hatred and misplaced love, standing in the community, nothing
more than 'loshon hara' all day long, and since I undersigned don't
belong, don't listen to him, don't do what he says, we enjoy hating him
it makes us feel connected ? You roll that way ? This is you ? I guess
if so, you don't have a future in the Redemption. Is it your idolatry,
you must worship at the shrine of some big Yeshivah, in awe for how it
looks, and to hell with the law if that's the price to pay ?

You read the Torah, and you sympathize with the good guys. Yet here we
are, but on what side are you now ? You thought you had the courage of
heroes, but on what side are you now ? You could not believe the
betrayal of the bad guys, how could they ! Yet here we are, and on what
side are you now ? Now that the action takes place, the decisions get
made: Redemption or Tyranny, peace or war, truth or lies, character or
criminality, wisdom or truth, tranquility or chaos, happiness or pain.
You may have to do something to earn the prize, this is how it is on
Earth. You work, you get something for it. I ask you for a small work,
and the prize could be the final and complete Redemption, forever. The
Israelites also had to walk out of Egypt, face fears and dangers. Do you
always want to be the one in the back of the pack ? You feel safer there ?
You might end up not leaving Egypt at all, or Edom now, or how you want
to put it.

Oh look, they (whomever) just finished polishing one of their nukes.
You think this will end well ?

Also, it is already the year 6 004. The Rabbis got it wrong, again.
Apparently, there is nobody else doing it, because how could they have
missed the right time ? How could someone who really cared, miss the
moment before the Greatest War, choose the moment to call for Justice
and Peace when it could still actually be achieved. If he himself didn't
know or could time it this well, isn't HKB'H supposed to be the one
ultimately holding the pen, dictating the words, in your beliefs ?
Doesn't HKB'H when to engage in the correct timing ? HKB'H is beyond
timing obviously. He would not have to say: this work will be done
before the war starts, I hope it works out. He will say: hurry up, get
the work done before the war starts ! Then, when it takes a little
longer, He has all the power he needs to have to delay the war a decade,
a generation, however long he wants. HKB'H is beyond timing, but there
we are, and time is running out. What do you want to do now: ask Hillel
the Elder for guidance, Rambam will save you ? I suggest to you: stop
lying, and save yourselves. If you started your Teshuvah with the
prosbul, it may be the step which is the first to the complete and final
Redemption. Even if at first you are too prideful to even believe you
could go that far, as you make the step and then another ... you keep
walking you keep going ... all the way to the promised land.

As the Chinese saying says: a big jearney starts with a single step.
You can inspect the ground of where you will place this first step
carefully. You can put your jackets on and put your backpack together.
One step cannot be so dangerous, can it ? You know what you do, it is
the obvious truth: Teshuvah for the prosbul. Why not ? It's not really a
debate, it a matter of choosing good over stupidity and evil. It
couldn't be more obvious. Only the mindless are still in doubt, but
who are they ? You make the step, and like a shimmering birds feather,
the color of your soul has changed. You started to shine a little more.
The next step, it already seems easier, and more rewarding. Repent from
the heter iska also, repent from Rambam / Maimonides. Returning to the
Torah, it starts to feel good. What's next ! You want more, more truth,
more Justice, more obvious wisdom.

Before you know it, your children live happily in a safe land, and life
just seems to suddeny have become so fullfilling, so ....

You think I deceive you ? I argue against your deceivers. You have a
mind, use it. You will ultimately have to save yourselves. It is your
life, you will have to live it. It is your adventure, your choices, your
story, it is about you, it is you, it will be who you become.

Do not wait until HKB'H has to "point out the moshiach" for you, because
that is a demotion, at least in my view. You should be able to care for
the truth so much, you only need half a word and you can see, a call for
action is no longer needed in your case, because you act out of your own
need for truth, justice and peace, to do what is right. That is a man,
or a good woman if you want. A good human. If you wait for a sign of
your God, then at least follow his law as he asked you to. Only then
does it make sense, because you are in a system which is also good: the
Torah of Moshe Rabbeinu, and you have reason to follow it closely. Isn't
that just what I'm asking you to do, to follow it closely, to stop with
the prosbul ? It is idolatrous to put Rebbes and Sages above HKB'H and
the law he gave through Moshe Rabbeinu. Your God already punished you,
yet you want even more punishment without learning much let alone
enough. Why, why do you force heaven to punish you even more ... ?

The read is clear, (lol, I meant, the road is clear), you know what to
do. You don't have to ask someone else for advice, but you can ask
someone to walk together with you. Go together, and hopefully we can all
live in the end. If however, none is willing to go, will you also keep
dancing on the deck of the Titanic, as it disappears into the endless
sea, and the lifeboats disappear one by one ? If need be, you will go
alone, like Abraham left his family, like Moshe Rabbeune fled into the
desert, for Justice sake. They placed Justice and Peace above their
immediate comfort and their social surrounding, peer pressure I suppose,
even from all sides. This became Israel, the holy Nation, the apple of
God's eye, the first among all the Nations, first to choose peace. Be
that Nation, take courage in the truth, because without peace, there is
nothing to live for. To the death we live for peace, and to the death we
destroy evil, forever.

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