Israel now is not like Moshe Rabbeinu, neither are the Rabbis.

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De : Josjoha (at) *nospam* market.socialism.nl (Jos Boersema)
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Date : 22. Jun 2024, 18:09:15
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title: Is Moshiach in Our Midst? What to expect in the End Times -Rabbi Tovia Singer
source: Seeking to Serve
link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kz1ZWGC2SNg

What a mistake to make, to think that Israel in its current can be
compared to Moshe Rabbeinu standing before the Pharao, and to think
that _you_ are right and _they_ are wrong. You are _all wrong,_ much
like Israel was when there was no Moshe Rabbeinu yet, all living in
Egypt. None of you has "repented". Jeebus the bastard is your Messiah,
the one who overthrew the law, which the Jewish people call him: Hillel
the Elder, and also, Rambam / Maimonides. These are you fake 'Messiahs',
which you shifted in between yourselves and the Torah or yourselve and
HKB'H if you will, so that you can ignore your obligations under the law
(such as debt nullification, no rent seeking on loans), and serve the
rich instead of Justice.¹
                   (...) You turned yourselves into puppets for the rich
again, which was exactly what the Torah of Moshe Rabbeinu intended to
prevent by giving everyone their right to land forever, and to make sure
there would not be debt slavery, You didn't listen. You thought you knew
better. Now you are in this mess.

As usual, they think they are doing amazing, and then the war comes. You
lack the courage and honesty to listen to a small voice like this, a
small voice on youtube - merely a comment - then you lack the honesty
and dedication to live in the Redemption also. It is clear as day that
the *prosbul* is a lie, and that implies that this supposed 'moshiach'
will _have to accuse you about it, and complain about it_ whatever else
he may be doing. He has to do that, or he becomes a liar like Rabbinical
Judaism has become a liar. That cannot be true. However, how do you react
to such an accusation ? With Teshuvah, with "Oh we have been guilty"
? The Pharao could do it, but you all can not !

The Pharao talked to Moshe Rabbeinu, but you all turn a cold shoulder
when you hear a complaint like this about the prosbul for example,
which is obviously true. You sneaker around silently, as if you think:
"Let's not give it attention, the fools around us will think it wasn't
worthy a reply, and they will follow us because a debate with this it will
expose our lying !". There is only one thing which is debatable here: is
the _prosbul_ lying on purpose, is this organized crime by the Rabbis,
is it an effort to destroy Israel, subjugate the Jewish people under
the rich, or is it a matter of mindlesness, is it because of a sense
of _misplaced_ humility, subjugation to just a few people who may know
they are lying, with just about everyone simply being a fool. Since the
Prophets have said: "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge",
I guess you deserve the benefit of the doubt, and it was a matter of
foolishness, rather than criminal intentions.

Nevertheless: if the State is a boat, and history is the sea, then if you
sail out into the open sea with a leaking boat by oversight or intention,
in both cases the boat sinks and all or many on board may die. You even
say it to yourselves: the 2nd Temple fell, because of _baseless hatred_
and the _lust for money._ How do you express this hatred and lust for
money: for example by not nullifying the loans anymore in the 7th year,
and then making up false law which pretended that it was now allowed
to not nullify the loan. This is called a "prosbul", an idiotic trick
involving the court, the long and short of which is that the loan is not
nullified and the poor are forced to pay it back. Under the Torah law,
this is _organized crime._ Your courts, you Rabbis, are _organized crime_
under the law of the Torah. Heaven presumably saw it, and took away your
legal authority and your Sovereignty, and put you where you belong until
you do Teshuvah: under other Sovereignties, in the exile, where you can
ponder your crimes until you want to get rid of them. You basically
went back to Egypt, because you couldn't keep your thing straight,
due to baseless hatred and greed.

All this chatting about 'moshiach', it is meaningless. It is a shell
game, almost like a honey trap without honey. The one thing you take away
is the Teshuvah back to the Torah, which you broke. Blablabla religion
this religion that, blablabla on and on it goes ... "the gentiles will
be serving us and grabbing us by the hem of our shirts" ... Not your
shirts, the shirts of the ones who in the end do return to the Torah and
the truth, who throw out the lies for good. It might be you, but so far
not yet. Also, the Jubilee on land needs to be instituted, and the land
needs to be given to all, part by part, individual by individual. You
think you have a choice in this, some kind of super man will suddenly
descend from the clouds and subjugate the world to the Rabbis ? I think
you are deluding yourselves. Rather than rise to the top, you will fall
to the bottom, if you don't hurry up with your Teshuvah now.

The question never was: "when will moshiach come", the question has
always been: when will Israel return to the truth and stop lying about
the Torah. When will the Rabbis stop lying. This is the question of the
centuries and the millenia. Will they ever ? I think, probably not. They
will have to be deposed by HKB'H himself, as he said he would. Then
these liars will never be allowed to mislead Israel again, forever.

Am I not nice ? Right, I am not like Hillel the liar the faker the
traitor, nor am I a liar like Rambam / Maimonides, the people who helped
destroy you and created the exile for you. The prosbul is a lie, and
those who promote it are hence liars, how else can you call it ?! Heter
iska, this is a lie. The Lamp of Helena is Sun disk idoltary at the
2nd temple. You destroyed yourselves. I literally just now wondered
to something like heaven - I don't know - what should I write to these
people, it is all so hopeless. The same came out as ever, because it is
the truth, but you don't listen. The curses will return, 7 times worse
each time. Rabbinical Judaism will  have to be ended, because of its
millenia of lying and deceiving.

I think probably the root difference between me and you all, is that I
simply care for the truth, like an honest child, and this causes me to
find your behavior incomprehensible and reprehensible, when it comes
to the prosbul. It is such an obvious fraud. Supporting the homosexual
agenda is a similar fraud, but at least I can still understand people
not being too enthusiastic about cutting people's heads off. I don't
understand the lies, and since there is no reaction nor Teshuvah, it
just creates anger. You could say, anger on behalf of the poor, whom
you have denied their rights, just as the Torah said you should not do.

For now you can ignore the truth. if heaven forces the issue, you will
have to deal with the regret about your obstinacy. Your behavior now
will hurt you then, if you really are an honest good willing person. Now
you can still change and be happy later, but it doesn't seem to be
happening. If the greater Teshuva of Israel will eventually come, if
_they_ will finally come (rather than 'moshiach wil come' - no 'moshiach'
will not come, moshiach probably simply never left the truth I guess
or came back to it already, and it was you all who went away and never
came back), it will become a Teshuvah through tears and sorrow, thanks
to the obstinate hard necked Rabbinate of Israel, who has forsaken the
Torah while laying claim to it, deceiving their people.

Why are there no marches of Rabbis in Yerushalayim every week, demanding
the Jubilee on land ? Don't Rabbis have much else to do but care about the
Torah ?! This is their job, to show the way ! Why are they not blocking
things like rent seeking on loans, why are they not having vigils in
front of Yeshivas where the cursed books of Maimonides / Rambam are
being taught, containing the heter iska and other crimes as if that is
the Torah, or where the Shulchan Aruch with its prosbul (and heter iska)
are being taught, informing the clueless students that they are learning
a broken Torah, a Torah of baseless hatred and lust for money ? Where are
you people when your Nation needs you ? The world needs you, needs Israel
to give the example, but Israel turned to the ways of the Nation, and now
they will all go down together, pretending to be clueless. "The Nations"
are likewise utterly insane, selling debt for debt until the whole world
collapses into war. They are fools, and therefore Israel needs to give
the example. But ... Israel has become ... pathetic, lame and blind.

I realize this is repetitive, I always write the same, because everything
gets stuck behind this simple problem. There is nothing else to say at
this point. Other things could be said, but this issue seems to be the
simplest and most obvious. If you cannot even do this, do Teshuvah
for following Hillel the Elder and Maimonides / Rambam with their
treasonous devices, I don't see what you can do. Hold a service for
the Pharao, prepare a meal for the guards in Egypt ? If that is all you
want, you have it. The liar Maimonides put it on 'moshiach' that he was
'tarrying', putting in your minds that it is not your failing which delays
the Redemption, but his. No, people reading this comment and rather than
acting against the prosbul and heter iska they do something else: that is
the problem, that is why there is no Redemption. That is the delay. The
very next thing someone does after reading this, if it is not starting
to overthrow the prosbul, that is the delay you are causing. Day by
day by day, you build this delay, and it seems you will go on with it,
forever. If HKB'H is not going to overthrow the Rabbis in the end, as
he did with the Romans overthrowing corrupt Israel at the 2nd Temple,
I think the Redemption will probably never come.

You Rabbis need to answer the question: do I care more about being a
Rabbi and the money I earn with it, or do I care more about the Torah
and the truth. If it is the former, keep going with your deceptions and
your shell game, you are where you belong: in the exile, and eventually
you might see Israel redeeming itself, without you, despite you. If it
is the latter, then what are you waiting for: become a _real_ Rabbi, and
stop spreading the lies of Hillel and Rambam. Be a man where there is no
man, wasn't that one of the sayings in Judaism ? You think I get paid to
write this ? I am already happy I don't get killed over writing the truth.

"But you are not nice, we need someone who is nice like an old friendly
man." You don't even know me, point one, and point two, grow up. Prosbul
is a lie, it _should_ cause anger in whoever hears it, for the sake of
the poor who get hurt by it. Are they getting hurt, if I get my way
here, if the Torah wins ? Do you see the greater picture ? You want
a slithering tongue to lispel around your face, so you can bask in
soothing lies, just like the snake in the garden of Eden, telling Eve
and Adam how they would become like gods. Wasn't that a friendly snake,
huh ? Such a good friend. Thieving war and death was the result from
all this friendliness. Who was that other "god of friendliness" again,
oh yes he is called Jeebus the Bastard, Jesus the Faker from Rome. Such
a nice fellow, just pay your coin to Rome, and the long and deadly
exile began. Where the Levites loving and friendly, when they plunged
their spears into the offending people who made love with a foreign
tribe against the orders of their God ? What is the real friendliness:
informing you of the truth, even if at some point in an angry tone,
or the slithering tongue of the deceiver, always with a cunning smile,
pretending to love you while casting you down into a world of pain.

                   ------------o------------

1.

   It was too long to post, so I cut it here. The rest of this desperate
   ranting is posted below. Since Israel seems to be so interested in
   the Redemption and 'moshiach', I keep being motivated to write things
   to them so that they can Redeem themselves and stop lying. Certain
   people keep getting posted to my youtube feed, which unfortunately I
   keep checking often despite realizing it is probably an extremely
   manipulated subset of videos, crafted for autiences by the would be
   Tyrants at Google & the mass media. There isn't a specific reason to
   single out these specific people, other than that they keep showing
   up. I have nothing for or against these people in particular. In some
   sense, it is merely a hook to hang a message on, in the hope someone
   eventually might care for the truth, ideally before they get hurt by
   the next round of punishment, such as 7 Nazi holocausts rolled into
   one event; mass murder that is, and other horrors, in real life.

   I want the lies to stop, even for no other reason than a basic hatred
   for lies. Lies are warfare. It isn't even about if you want to not
   follow the Torah or you do. If you do not, that's your choice. Just
   don't lie about it and claim that the prosbul or the heter iska is
   the Torah, when it is the overthrow of the Torah of Moshe Rabbeinu.
   Put a plaque on your Yeshivah which says something like: we teach a
   altered version of the Torah, which is not fully the Torah of Moshe
   Rabbeinu, but an altered version of the Torah. Then you can write
   somewhere what you have altered, such as that you have taken away the
   rights of the poor to interest free loans which are nullified in the
   7th year. If you are complete, you can add the warning that there
   have been numerous commentaries who warned gravely against this, and
   that the heter iska and Rambam where controversial at the time it was
   created (at least I recall reading that there is a warning about
   these lies in the Shulchan Aruch, saying that many have warned
   gravely against these fake laws, but they decided to follow the
   "majority of Sages" on it ... which is of course another lie, because
   if you support the prosbul and pretend it is good and the Torah, you
   are by definition not a Sage on the Torah.

   When the dying is over, perhaps I will eventually be forgiven for
   ranting so much, even being angry, because the events will have been
   so absolutely horrific and genocidal, that any attempt to prevent
   that from happening will eventually receive agreement, if not a
   verdict that they (we) should have tried even harder if we could
   have, ranted even more often, to more people, perhaps even with more
   anger and greater warnings.

   There is however a limit to what you can reasonable do. If you go too
   far, you just create an even more negative reaction. Secondly, it is
   all also a big test. I am testing you to see if you react to the
   truth when it comes to you in a perhaps not too perfect way, not a
   too overwhelming way. It's just another crazy posting on youtube, on
   Usenet, who cares. There is no pressure. However, it is the same
   pressure someone will engage in later, if they are suffering an
   injustice but also have job, family and other obligations to
   fullfill. They may write a comment somewhere, a posting, but it will
   be limited. Ordinary people don't have the power of the richest
   criminals in the world, who are able to pay the most expensive
   propaganda firms to create a complete world of lies for an entire
   world of people to get lost in. If people are unwilling to listen to
   the small voice, they will not be able to deal with a system as I am
   proposing to them (see below). If they only care about the big voice,
   then they belong to the proverbial Temples of Egypt, where all the
   tricks may be used to impress the masses, to make them accept and
   embrace their own enslavement.

   This is the cut I am trying to make: the people who listen to the
   small voice of the truth on the one hand, and the people who listen
   to the big voice exclusively whatever it is saying. It is kind of
   funny how the people who are clammoring for 'moshiach' are waiting
   for this Big Voice of their supposed King, but that makes them the
   opposite of all this what I am proposing. They are waiting for their
   Pharao. I propose: listen to the voice of the wretched and hurting
   next to you, and if you want to do that as a people, I wish heaven
   raise you up above all mankind, to become the Lamp of the Nations, a
   light of love, wisdom and caring, at least all those who wish to see
   this small Nation of hard necked people, and learn from their
   hopefully eventually happy and peaceful lives. It will be a living
   example, and so long as it keeps standing, it doesn't have to be big
   or impressing in any other way. It is there as an inspiration, at the
   time people are looking for it. If they are not looking for it, they
   don't have to see it or hear it. The same as what I am writing here
   or commenting on youtube. You don't have to point your browser to my
   website, you can put my user name in your killfile (that's a personal
   filter on Usenet, nothing to do with killing people), and that's all
   good for you if you want to do that. You can go to your festivals and
   listen to the big voice which money has bought for you, and the small
   voices of the people who ask for the truth might never reach you. The
   quality of your Nation will reflect this uncaring nature, and that
   will then in turn become your Justice, or lack thereof, which you
   deserve to live in, for better or worse.

   Everything is therefore fine, and this is not an attempt to go from a
   small voice to a big voice, quite to the contrary of what people will
   presumably think. A man has a voice, it travels perhaps 100 meters
   usually, and that's about it. Everyone is this way. We can have a
   system to make it work, but you have to open your ears to the people
   around, to see if they say the truth, and then replicate it if you
   find it. If you cannot do that, you cannot live in a society of equal
   and real people. It will always be this Big Voice over all, which is
   a dictatorship of sorts. Some on top, some on the bottom. Some do the
   talking, many do only the listening. I think this is a mistake.
   Everyone can do some talking, and everyone should do some listening.
   The ones with the Big Voice always tend to become the criminals, and
   it is just not a good way to live (I think). It is not in balance.
   Are the few with all the money and the power the better ones ?
   Definitely not, usually the opposite. Hence this should change.
   However, it depends on wanting to listen to the small voice.

   Therefore what they think should happen, that suddenly this big
   shining super hero King will show up and become the Big Voice: I
   think that's a mistake. They are waiting on their Pharao, they want
   Pyramids like in Egypt, to dazzle and impress the slaves.

   I want to see a balance and a network of people whose rights are
   equal, and who have bonds of knowledge and care between them which
   keeps it all in place and functioning. It is a responsibility, but it
   is also a freedom, because there is no Big Voice over you, there is
   no Tyrant, there is no Idol, there is just the sense of the personal
   adventure which is your life, from day to day, as you build and live
   it; and you can live on your own land without having to be a slave to
   anyone if that is what you want at some point (now the shallow people
   always react with thinking that this is about completely isolated
   people living on subsistance farming in abject poverty, but that is
   not what this is about; the cost of not listening is such
   misunderstandings I guess).

   There was once a documentary about archeology regarding Yerushalayim,
   and it was also about the first cities or I connected it to that
   perhaps (long time ago). I was thrilled to hear when a village had
   houses all the same, and none was the Big Man who oppressed the
   others, but they all had the same. The commentary on the documentary
   said something denigrating about Yerushalayim under King David having
   perhaps been nothing more than a "cow town", with nothing much going
   on in terms of building or walls. Later then, there where huge walls,
   and castles, and that was supposedly better. I thought just the other
   way around, what a sadness for these people, to have to be subjugated
   under a few rich people with all the big buildings. What a victory if
   they all lived in similar houses, and did not need much or anything
   in terms of city defenses. What a victory if the village elders rule
   the village, failing their strength to do much else eventually, not
   needing palaces or golden crowns or guards, but living in the same
   houses they had always lived, the same houses everyone has. Because
   they don't need a King, they all become Kings, they all live directly
   under the sky, being crowned by their shared freedom and
   responsibility.

   This is also why I often think, that if my program ever gained any
   traction, and they will ask me to hold a lecture on some aspect of it
   or whatever, than I would not want to do that, because this is again
   the same as ever: the Big Voice from the central command position,
   and the serfs and slaves bowed down before it in silence. I would
   rather want to tap one of this crowd on the shoulder from the side,
   and suggest to them a program where we all start to face each other:
   in circles smaller and larger, as suggested. The crowd bowed down to
   listen while one is speaking, would be reorganized into many groups
   and circles of a human reasonable size (10 to 50 usually, but at
   times it can be bigger), and they would be speaking in turns and of
   course listening in turns also.

   You could argue, however, that the massed bowed down under the Big
   Voice was a training ground, so that they would learn to listen where
   people have a tendency to more or less only try to impress upon
   others their own opinions and needs and wants without caring what
   others need and want, so to rule over the top of others and to become
   dominant (and rich). In that sense, the Big Voice system isn't bad
   and the system of equals who listen to the small voice is good, like
   a choice between good and bad, but it is a bit like the first class
   is to learn to listen, and in the second class you should learn also
   to listen to a small voice, and to develop your own voice as well, to
   speak in such a way that others can and will listen (meaning, without
   a string of insults and rage because people didn't do what you wanted
   them to do, and you just wanted them to be your slaves and suit your
   every whim of the day, for example (extreme example), like a toddler
   screaming his needs and wants in an effort to force the situation to
   his own perceived benefit).

   So in all, this is a proposal to go to the next stage of sorts:
   having learned to listen to the Big Voice of sorts, or already
   capable anyway to listen to a complaint which is true of an
   individual, to then build a complete Nation up out of such a way of
   living. The nature of it goes against again imposing a Big Voice.

   The question is: is it possible, do these people exist who can make
   that happen. Clearly the answer at this point seems to be: no, they
   do not exist, or it would already have happened 10 years ago, if not
   100 years ago in 1917 in Germany for example, or indeed many
   thousands of years ago when Israel left Egypt. The "Israelites" do
   indeed seem to have been able to do it for a while, because for a
   time they listened to their "ruling prophet", who in a sense was just
   another of them. Not a palace, not a gang of thugs around him to
   guard him and enforce any command he may have issued on pain of death
   to whomever might resist, etc. Just a person who turned out to say
   the truth, and they listened and cared for what the ruling prophet
   said (or did they ?). At least they listened enough to record what
   was said and what happened. Eventually however, they again wanted a
   Big Voice, the voice of a King with an Army and a Palace and a Crown
   and a Throne and all the power and prestige which comes with it. A
   dictator, a Tyrant often, and these have basically ruined Israel in
   the end. Some where very good, most where not. In the end, the Nation
   of Israel was torn apart. Such is the cost of listening to the Big
   Voice, and giving up your power as a common person among common
   persons, sharing the burdens and freedoms of organizing your own
   Nation amongst yourselves based on care and being reasonable
   (following the Torah of Moshe Rabbeinu in this case, which was a
   great guide they had to make it work).

   I guess it is not possible then, and so they will have to get
   something like a King again, but a King subjugated to the necessary
   laws, and a King who can be easily deposed and who has great
   limitations on its power. Hence the end result will be a mix of the
   two: the Big Voice, and the small voices, and eventually it may
   develop in the right direction. Hence I proposed a King who is
   elected, but not like you might expect, and there will be an age
   element to it (older). It's its own thing. It is like a bend of the
   knee to this need in the people, to still have something of a Big
   Voice to listen to together, to learn to listen. You could argue and
   people probably will, that it is for unity. I suppose it becomes a
   device of unity when the Nation is threatened with breaking apart
   into chaos and strife, because the single head may use his Big Voice
   to impress something which unites somehow, or say something which
   purifies and casts out that which is bad or seems bad, creating a
   Unity by expelling something unwanted. At other times, the Big Voice
   might be a calming influence, perhaps even reasoning with his own
   people, trying to replicate and argue the positions of various groups
   and their wants and needs in such a way that the other groups will
   listen to that which is said, because it came from the Big Voice,
   thus stimulating the art of listening again, and that of unity and
   understanding. If the people are not capable of it to a sufficient
   degree, then perhaps the King may strive to make up the difference,
   and help his people with such an understanding and connecting work.

   Such a King would be a servant worth having, in a Nation of people
   who may not always listen as closely to each other as may be
   necessary for the peace to rule the day. Again though, the risk af
   the abuse of this power exists, and may at times express itself by
   having a King which is not so good. I don't know how to solve that
   problem anymore.

   Presumably, the devastation and pain caused by the coming period,
   World War 3 and perhaps more, will impress upon people a need for
   Peace and Justice, which might create the necessary care and
   dedication to be good. Personally I always feel that the Middle Ages
   and the evils and suffering which was caused, is still something so
   bad that it pays to care a lot about what is going on in society, if
   we can prevent that from occuring again - as if it all happened
   yesterday. When the second world war was over, many people saw the
   need to be against dictatorship, war, militarism, Naziism and the
   glorification of violence. The suffering creates a reaction. The
   exact lack of care for the truth, decried above on the issue of the
   prosbul for example, this lack of care may be corrected to an extend,
   by the extreme suffering which is likely to come soon.

   People now seem to say, when I or someone else might complain about
   the prosbul: "Who the hell are you, I have stuff to do, leave me
   alone you arrogant [explitive], everything is fine, go away." or
   worse: Nothing, just a quick shift of the head in the other
   direction, pretending to hear nothing.

   After all the hell has been suffered, people might grab the paper out
   of your hands if you had written something down, and already have
   grabbed it out of your hand and scanning through it, while you have
   barely finished half the sentence "Something seems to be wrong with
   the law ....". The question is how long that will persist, but if we
   read the Prophets of Israel, it should last *forever* (which is an
   incredibly long time, permanent). So this seems to mean, you will
   suffer something, which will permanently change you, and to such an
   extend you will not change back anymore toward corruption and
   carelessness. I am sorry that this process is likely going to be
   extremely painful, but in the end the pain will become the medicine.

   *

   You have been warned, and shown a way out, well in advance, well on
   time. You made your choices, the consequences will be yours to bear.
   Do not blame your God, he was there every day with the Torah, but you
   never came for all these long years, you never came back despite the
   many invitations to return to peace & justice. You can return today,
   you can return any day, but for your own benefit, at times the
   continuing corruption and evil of human society will reach its end in
   bloodshed and death. (Perhaps I only write this, because I already
   suffered worse than imaginable, so I am already beyond that
   suffering, while you are not, and thus you care not; but later, you
   won't understand anymore how you could have been so uncaring and
   untruthfull and still being able to talk and sleep as if nothing was
   wrong.)

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