Another Rabbi seems to be asking for Teshuvah ...

Liste des GroupesRevenir à sc jewish 
Sujet : Another Rabbi seems to be asking for Teshuvah ...
De : Josjoha (at) *nospam* market.socialism.nl (Jos Boersema)
Groupes : soc.culture.jewish
Date : 09. Aug 2024, 17:29:06
Autres entêtes
Organisation : A noiseless patient Spider
Message-ID : <v95g4i$q634$1@dont-email.me>
User-Agent : slrn/1.0.3 (Linux)
It doesn't matter who, it is all the same every time. They want
'moshiach' but they don't want to do Teshuvah. They think everyone else
needs to do Teshuvah, I guess. Whatever the reason, it's always the
same, and the reply is always going to be the same, so I might as well
make this the last one.

Maybe, see you after the next round of punishment. According to the
torah it should be 7 times worse than the Nazis, which could lead to a
death rate of 95%-99% of all Jewish people in the world (!). Remember
that from the grab of power in 1933, Hitler took merely until 1945 or so
to do most of his damage. 1929 was the Depression, 1924 was the currency
crisis. The whole thing was over within 20 years, you could say.

Even if this is going to be the generation of the Redemption, there is
even right now still 20 years of room to play with, before it actually
should happen, and it would still be according to that it is this
generation, that it is soon, that it is already happening, that it may
already have happened partially (which I think may end up being
correct), and so on. 20 years in not a long time compared to history, or
the length of the current exile, and also just a part - although
significant part - of a normal human lifetime.

  Reply to another Rabbi, again they want 'moshiach' ... but they don't
  want Torah, they don't want Peace, truth and justice, they merely want
  'moshiach will figure it out, defeat the enemy'. That is what it boils
  down to, because if there is no Teshuvah, if there is no *interest* in
  studying what the law should be, or what may have been done wrong,
  than that is all which remains of the demand for 'moshiach': a
  clammoring for another hero-King. You know hwat Hitler was to Germany ?
  A perceived and expected hero-King, who would defeat their enemies
  and lead them to a glorious future. If only they would submit to his
  will. You know how that worked out, don't you. It is constantly the
  same, whether the name is Ceasar, or some Chinese General to be Emperor,
  or a Lenin or a Stalin or a Trump or a McCarthy or all the other
  characters who have been Presidents of the USA (with possible
  exception of JFK, but there you go, they murdered him so you see that
  it doesn't work that way).

  ...

Well, yes, I could help a bit with your Teshuvah, but you do not want to
do Teshuvah, no matter how obvious it is where you broke the law. Want
the list again, maybe you never saw it ? sigh. Prozbul, repeal it,
cry over it, it was a lie a fraud a rebellion. Worse yet, what Rambam
writes about the Jubilee, pretending it is not active. This might be the
worst of all the betrayals, because land is so important. Heter iska,
a scam made up by Rambam. Do you understand ? The people you revere as
"sages" are just the opposite, they are the ones who have ruined your
Torah, and with that your peace, your Yerushalayim. You tie a box to
your head thinking it makes you holy, and then when you see 3 stars in
the night sky, you break the Shabbos and get to work, or your servants
go to work. A day goes from night sleep to night sleep, everyone uses
the words this way, how can the Torah be any different. These betrayals,
but especially the Jubilee, is enough to destroy a Nation, becaues all
the power goes to the few, and those psychos of power and greed will
destroy you. This is why you cannot be redeemed.

You cannot have a 3rd Temple while being in open rebellion against the
truth and against HKB'H. A 3rd Temple with how Israel is now, is not
just meaningless, it is destructive, because the corruptions gains a
major platform of power to spread its silliness and its lies all over
the world. When the lies start to appear, the negative consequences
of a gaggle of mindless people controlling the 3rd Temple and not
the real Redemption with the full Teshuvah of the survivors (or all
of you now already), this has the potential to collapse Israel in a
way like never before, right ? Even i it was done, it will end in
nothingness. You first have to say: we will hear, and we will do,
Na'ase venishma. Na'ase venishma, you will hear and you will do, you
will again listen to HKB'H, your God, and you will be a people to him,
and he will be a God to you, and then you will live forever in peace,
in Yerushalayim, your city. Choose life, the truth, and live, Israel,
why wait why are you waiting.

Then you will bring about even your King David, and he will be put on
a throne, a single throne over all of Israel (not me, but someone from
between you). You have nothing without your Torah. You have to overcome
your phony sages. I can go on many pages like this, on why you may have
been subjected to the opressions and lies of the goyim, because they
mirror you, but worse, and cast this mirror back on you. It is a love
letter from heaven to you, the whole world is a sheet of paper.

When the goyim falselay say their crazy idol is _your_ leader, it is a
sign also from heaven, that you behave as if this false idol where your
King. See what I mean ? You became lawless yourselves, and then you where
put under a lawless religion who made their own laws as they wanted,
like a curse upon you. It all the time goes this way, but you don't see
it. Prozbul ? That is unforgiven debt, it also happens to be theft from
HKB'H, just like the 'soft fruit' in the Garden of Eden, if you will. What
unforgiven debt problems do hte goyim mirrer you with ? How about the
Versaille debt, and the terrible war and holocaust which became the
consequence of this debt. Unforgiven debt. Heter iska, gaining interest
on a loan from another Jew, which is forbidden ? See the stock market,
it is all greed, up and down it goes while the money gets sucked out
to unproductive people who do nothing but gamble. The whole world seems
to be controlled by this madness, and now it is costing an unbelievable
amount of money to keep it propped up. The whole western Empire is falling
because of this and the National Debt scam, which is a pyramd scam.

You see ? Debt, interest, unforgiven loans, you did that, and now the
goyim do it in a bigger way - and it is destroying both the world, and
you. It is a love letter to you, rrom heaven, so that you will learn and
return, so that you can live (is the way I see it). However, you don't
seem to read the letter, you don't seem to care. You ruined your Jubilee,
so that you where selling land in perpetuity ? Now look at the goyim:
markets in and all around, everywhere. One person was reported to own
half the agricultural land in the USA. Do you learn, do you see ? Also,
you follow _them_ and mirror them, while you should have been opposing
their errors, and shown the example.

You do not want to listen to these very obvious problems with your
Torah, or at least I haven't found a single Rabbi who even bothers a
reply. Silence is a weapon, not replying is also replying. Silence is a
powerful weapon, when it is directed by all against one. It is crystal
clear that a thing like a prozbul, or the lie about the Jubilee, are
wrong. It is undeniable. If you do not repent from it, it means you are
unfit to have a Redemption. Rather than a 3rd Temple, you wlll have a
second holocaust, 7 times worse than before. If after that you are still
hard necked, there will be a third holocaust, after which I think there
will almost nobody be left, perhaps one or two families in total, a dozen
people, literally around 10 persons of all of you. This is what the Torah
says. It says, you should fear your God, fear him because he knows what
is right, and what he is doing. Still, Israel at least kept the law on
paper, parts of the law have been kept, somewhat, like a criple you get
going through the centuries. Now then, return in full and be Redeemed,
return to the land and allow HKB'H to bring about the blessings after
having had to bring so many curses. Right ? I merely compute _your Torah_
that is all, anyone can read it, it is not in heaven. Return and live.

[Continuing on Usenet]

Like I wrote to a different Rabbi with basically the same message, this
one was claiming that the whole world needs the Torah as explained by
the Orthodox Jews ...

   Reply ...

Wrong, you messed up the Torah badly with your prozbul, heter iska,
fraudulent excuse to not conduct the Jubilee, and fake day ending to break
the Shabbos. Orthodox does not exist in this world, you are all REFORM
! You don't care. Orthodox Jews will teach: Jubilee, nah not needed,
it's all fine already, not everyone is "in the land" or "not by tribe"
or some other fraud from the "sages". You don't get it, really. You don't
seem to understand that the things I listed aren't opinions or beliefs,
they are crimes under Torah law, you are criminals if you conduct these
acts, if the Torah is law. All of you are criminals under the Torah,
if the Torah was law. I mean that to the extend that if you lived in the
days of Moshe Rabbeinu, you would be hauled to the courts for behaving
according to the above listed lies, although I don't have hard proof in
the case of the Shabbos (merely the absurdity of your behavior), but
in the case of the others, it is a crime. To not conduct the Jubilee
when you should have, it is a crime. Your crimes, Israel, are so bad,
you cannot be Redeemed, you cannot get out of exile.

Since Israel doesn't want to listen to the truth, why don't you tie a
second box to your head, and see if that helps. Let the record show that
you had a chance here to come back to the Torah.

I really want to stop wasting my time on Israel, especially now that I
know about the horrible fraud about the Jubilee, and that things are so
much worse than I could have imagined. This is the people of the Torah,
this is what's left of it ?! Oy oy oy ... how many of you will live to
see the Redemption, will there even be 10 ?

Look: the solution comes before the disaster, don't you see it ? The
disaster is now unfolding since October 7. The sadly suffering 'autists'
on dani18 com, and I guess they will also continue to suffer until Israel
Redeems itself, they have been at it for so many years already, while
Israel was thinking "life is great". I also have been at it for many
years, when Israel was thinking "life is great, we don't need a Torah".
The question to return and be safe, came many years before the disasters
started happening, in the order of 10 to 20 years earlier ! That is a
lot of time in a human lifetime. More time and you would simply have
zoned out already, saying: that never will happen, look it is already
30, 40, 60 years later. Most people don't have the patience.

For so many years, I have always set the same tune, so that you would
know what it was about and that there would unlikely be nasty surprises.
It didn't seem to help.

I warn you directly: it cannot be that whatever Orthodox sect will be
able to find 'moshiach' without doing Teshuvah from Rambam and Hillel
the Elder, because the betrayal of the truth is just too catastrophic.
You cannot run a Nation that way, it will fail. The land must be
distributed, and you need to take care of each other in a good way.
I guess it is in theory possible that you will find some guy, your
'moshiach' and he will cause you to do the Jubilee (or indeed some other
form of land distribution, that's fine with me because I care about the
principle behind it (see website)), and that the Orthodox will in that
way return to the truth - but that is exactly the point I am making.

If you think you can go on with this gangster level Torah made up by
Hillel and Rambam (!) and still have a 3rd Temple, then I like to hear
that argument. The land will centralize, the people would be poor, and
that's how it is supposed to be ? You think you can hold that ? Forever ?
I don't see it. Gangster level Torah, because it is gangsterism to not
return the land to whom it belongs in the 50th year, in the system of
the Torah. The land was paid for until the 50th year, not longer. It is
organized crime to deny the people their right to return. This is what
you have been under, and what is still going on. I don't say you are
outright Amalekese, but you're so blind that you fall for the lies of
the liars, and then you worship them, and you trample all over your
Torah but what you really do, is you trample all over your own rights
and you end up destroying your Nation, your peace, everything.

How many times can I write the same thing ? Well clearly, many many
times, but it gets tiring too. Why do I keep trying, why oh why don't I
just leave you alone with your mess. You keep asking and I keep
answering, but you never react, you never listen you never act. "Who are
you that we should listen to you ?!". This is exactly the problem with
you, you idolators. Who is gangster Hillel or traitor Rambam that you
should listen to them, are they prophets ? They fail the law of the
prophets by going against the Torah. If you listen to them, then you
should listen to anyone, and use your brain and your honesty to see the
truth.

Oy oy oy "the face of a dog" this last generation was supposed to have,
and it at least makes sense with how I always feel that people react
like dogs to an argument. I don't mean like wild angry dogs, but like
dogs in the sense that they do not listen to the *argument*, they only
see the tone of voice and then react to a positive voice versus an angry
or upset voice, and that is all they want to perceive. If you act that
way, you will become a tool for the well oiled demagogues, like Hitler.
Listen to the content and use your brain.

What is the difference at this point, between you Israel, and the
western idolators ? You overthrew the Torah, and they do the same. There
is a long list of similarities, although I have to say that if you read
what the western idolators are saying among themselves - absolute
garbage, laughable idiocy, so absurd I don't bother talking to them at
all. You are the chosen people Israel, because even while you don't seem
to use your brain, you seem to have one, or at least a heart. Stop being
an obstinate people and return to the truth. You think this period of
war and craziness will just end, just like the Jewish people in Nazi
Germany thought it would just blow over soon ? They ended up dead,
remember, and it didn't blow over soon at all. It was a horrific period
of Tyranny and evil. This is now set to begin again.

Picture yourself in a few years, hiding in a cellar of a simple house,
praying your guts out to HKB'H to save you, saying "I will study your
amazing Torah all the time, please let me live and see my daughter grow
up, please let me live I have two children, please let me live and I
will keep your Shabbos to the fullest extend I haven't even married yet"
- and you have forsaken all these important laws in all the many years
prior, never listened to a rebuke, always thinking "just ignore that
shmug ranting with his prozbul thinking he is important" although you
of course never even read any of this (right?) ... but then there you
are under the bombs and all of a sudden, you aren't so sure anymore
about your Judaism, your Rabbis, your Zionist rebel State, your IDF,
because there you are, in mortal danger, you could be slaughtered within
10 minutes if they find you.

I only say: act for the truth now, and if you must die in the coming
period, you will hopefully die with a little less stress, and a little
more honor to your name, that's all. If you all really cared, the entire
war could even not happen at all, because there would be no reason for
it, since you would have Redeemed yourselves and returned. It is
possible, but you ruin that for yourselves. You think it is more
important to keep going with fake sages, because that's what you have
done now for so many centuries. Did it work out during all these
centuries ? Can't you just see that you are lying about the Torah ?
Doesn't it bother you, that you are lying about the Torah of Moshe
Rabbeinu, obviously messing with it and commiting grave crimes under it ?
That you go to Rabbis who teach these lies ? That you believe them, even
though they don't have any proof ? You think that being humble to your
teacher makes you a good person ?

Oh really, being humble to the powerful is the way to go ? In that case,
Moshe Rabbeinu should have never killed those guards, or take Israel out
of Egypt, right ? Is that what you think ? Is that humble to listen to
lies and the teachers of those lies, believe them on their faces without
thinking, or it is a form of idolatry. It is a form of idolatry.

Stop the prozbul, the heter iska, the lies written by Rambam about the
Jubilee and conduct the Jubilee again, and at least you are a whole lot
closer to a correct economy. That is all I am saying and have always
been saying. Why is there no reply ? Who do *you* think you are, not to
reply to a serious matter of law ? Don't you worry that incorrect
understanding might spread, if you do not reply to an error ? Does it
scare you that it seems I am certain of my case ? Don't you want to
bother paging through the Tanach, or does it scare you that you might
find out you have been following obvious lies for thousands of years,
causing your own exile ! You worry that you may need to change, because
your hard neck forbids it ? Or the most likely reason of them all: you
just "know" without knowing, that what I write is false and what you
think is right, and no amount of truth is going to get in the way of
that. Right ?

When in doubt ? Tie a box to your head, that will save you. Right ?
Tzitzit are nice; but box to the head, you look like a fool. Oy oy oy
Israel ... oy oy oy oy oy ... why did you do it to yourselve. The Rabbis
may have done it for money, the gangsters did it for money, and you the
ordinary people may have done it for the sake of humility ? You didn't
dare raise your voice, never could you think that you should read the
Torah and contradict the people who pretended to know what it said ?
You're merely a simple Jew, one in the crowd ? Well, if that is the
case, then now you know the cost of submitting too much; never ending
exile, and the potential for your people to be almost entirely
exterminated, if things keep going the way they seem to be going and
without a return to the truth. Moshe Rabbeinu wasn't the Pharao, but he
killed the guards anyway. Abraham wasn't the boss of that city, but he
destroyed the idols anyway. They didn't submit to the lies, they showed
initiative. Who where they when they where born, sons of Kings, or they
inherited a fortune ? Did your Prophets submit to the corrupt in their
day, or did they rise up in accusation, even though they where not sons
of Kings or commanders of a force. All alone, and they rose up, for the
sake of the truth. Why are you not more like them. If you are or want to
be, it could make all the difference.

You would go against HKB'H, the King of all creation, because your
mother wants you to fit in with the Yeshivah, even though you know they
teach lies ?! Do you fear your mother more than the Master of existence ?
Is that the Torah ? What does the Torah say: care for your people, and
for God above all else. It also says to fear your God, and it also says
to honor your mother and father. Fine, you should honor your parents,
but not at the cost of the Torah law. You would dishoner them in the
end, if you allow them to veer you away from the truth. That will come
back on them as guilt.

Who cares if the Rabbis doesn't agree with you, who cares if you can see
he is fraudulent with his prozbul, or the fakery that the Jubilee isn't
active when it is an essential part of the system, of the economy, of
everything. If your Rabbi is this way, and you are not, then in effect
*you* are the better Rabbi there, and you should teach the confused
rebel some Torah, so that he may live.

sigh.
;-)

P.S. Well, I guess we're all waiting now on this Iran attack, and
wondering if it will again come on 9th of Av. I also don't know, but it
looks bleak. Probably bad stuff will happen, sooner or later. Better dig
in and prepare in every way possible. Don't take it lightly, sooner or
later things will likely go very bad, even over the whole world. The
western empire its national debt scam is imploding and it's just a slow
train wreck. The crazies of power want to reach the emergency condition
fall of the Republic and return to what they think is how things should
be: Tyranny and war, forever. It's what they like, it's how they live,
being criminals. If you read up on the economists, it is already amazing
how long it has lasted.

Will they now elect fascist madman Trump ? I don't know, it seems very
possible, because never before has a woman won the Presidency in the USA
(FWIK), hence why do they try it now. Fall guy Biden apparently is so
lost at this point, they couldn't even put him on the ticket, but
putting a woman who is also partially dark just seems to be asking for
Trump to win. It doesn't matter if it would be good that it should be a
woman for a change, the point is that it seems to be cooking the
situation so that Trump will win. Woman themselves tend to vote for men.

Then we have this whole thing with the assassination attempt (real or
fake), and that too somehow all works in Trump's favor. We can read in
"Project 2025" (which you definitely should investigate) that they have
grave plans for the USA, and are also following a plan which is similar
to Hitler in that it uses modern decadence ('laying with a man as with a
woman' and 'dressing in woman's clothes' etc) as a springboard, because
they claim to be against it. The ruling class made it so crazy now with
this 'woke' agenda and so on, and also the refugees, that the people
might finally be cooked enough to vote for a fascist madman, or at least
accept that as a legitimate result (since USA might already not have a
democracy anymore thanks to their voting machine, who will spit out a
result depending on who programmed it).

With Fascist madman Donald - I feel great about torture - Trump in
power, it seems natural that we will have a war solution to the economic
crisis. It will then likely go nuclear, eventually.

In the middle of all this chaos and death, the ruling class will likely
find the time to hurt the Jewish people to the maximum they can, sooner
or later. Them being criminals, they are inherently opposed to the
Torah, which brings them into a principled opposition to the very
existence of the Jewish people.

I guess that's sort of what we are facing now. Nothing was learned, it's
still the same systems, the same criminals, hence the result will likely
be similar as well. Just plain old logical thinking, that's all. It may
not go like this, but it is likely, that's all. That's all and that's
the point, because knowing where it will likely go, means that we should
do something about it so that it will not go bad. What is that ? See
signature of course, or do your own Torah !

--
Economic & political ideology, worked out into Constitutional models,
with a multi-facetted implementation plan. http://market.socialism.nl

Date Sujet#  Auteur
9 Aug 24 o Another Rabbi seems to be asking for Teshuvah ...1Jos Boersema

Haut de la page

Les messages affichés proviennent d'usenet.

NewsPortal