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Date : 01. Sep 2024, 13:55:23
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Someone posted on Reddit about how the 2nd Temple was destroyed for
*baseless hatred* and that the Redemption will be brought by the love
for Jewish persons who are exceedingly good (my words). "Baseless hatred"
is, according to some historic Jewish Scholar about hating good people,
and loving bad people (paraphrazed).

I thought to react to it, because I have one bit of unfinished business,
and that is to write to Reddit in a Jewish group that they should stop
lying about the Torah. Sorry about if this sounds offensive, but the
prozbul, the heter iska, the Jubilee overthrow, this is not ordinary
confusion of interpretation anymore. This is flat out lying, and if the
common Jew who doesn't study the Torah doesn't know, that is one thing,
but anyone with any sort of half brains knows or has to know or should
have known that it is lying. Preposterous lying. This is how they put
the supposed Oral Torah above the actual Torah.

Incidentally, if the supposed Oral Torah is another name for
Jurisprudence (which seems reasonable if not entirely correct), then
this does indeed go back to Moshe Rabbeinu, as a practice that is.
Howwever, it seems that much if not all of the original Jurisprudence
was lost. Jurisprudence is nothing more than a record of verdicts by
Judges in cases. The jewish people messed up the Oral Law /
Jurisprudence badly, to make life easy for rich criminals. I can sit
here and pretend it isn't so bad, put it all in flowery words, but what
would that accomplish ? The Rabbis already do plenty of that, and it
certainly isn't the Torah style to placate and pander to the side of
error and/or evil. Sorry, I digress ...

https://new.reddit.com/r/AntiZionistJews/comments/1eqqvrw/tisha_bav_and_the_hatred_of_evildoers/

Reply:

Being hated for no reason by the people you try to help and love, is
painful. I figure the love for evil is from the monkeys and other animals,
who have a reason to fight for survival, even with each other. Many
animals do that. We however are not animals, but we are technological,
which is unique in the world. Our power is our creativity & cooperation,
which ever more outstrips any possible benefit of selecting and admiring
people of violence (not quite the same thing as "evil", but it can be
increasingly close). The more technological people become, the more this
is true. Thus we see a movement within humanity, away from the animal,
and toward a peace - or toward a complete self destruction if the humans
do not change themselves in time.

I thought of this statement: "Doing good to evil, is doing evil to
good." If you help someone who is evil, you empower them, you heal them,
you support them, you make them more powerful. They use this to do more
evil, of which you would then become guilty. (Incidentally, this is the
exact opposite of the western idolatry religion from Rome; perhaps they
have their fraudulent ideology because they themselves in the top are
evil, and they are scared if they where to ever face a moral uprising.)

By the way, the Jewish people are in a big problem right now, because
they are following supposed Sages such as Rambam/Maimonides and Hillel
the Elder, who are guilty (guilty) over making laws which go directly
against the Torah. I think about that, when I read or hear from Jewish
people who promote the hatred of "heretics" or Jewish people who are
against the Torah or their God, because they themselves are doing the
same, albeit often in a more fine tuned and harder to detect way.

Hillel the Elder is guilty over creating the prozbul. It is an absurd
device, meant to support the evil who are rich in not performing their
duty in loans to the poor. The device pretends the loan does not have
to be nullified in the 7th year, by supposedly turning the loan into a
court verdict. All it accomplishes though, in reality, is that it also
makes the Court of Justice guilty over this crime. You could argue that
the crime of the Court of Justice involved in a prozbul, is greater than
merely the prozbul itself.

This act of the prozbul constitutes: doing good to evil, and thusly doing
evil to good. It is also a rejection and overthrow of the Torah. I guess
since nobody did anything about it and other betrayals of the Torah,
HKB'H himself overthrew the 2nd Temple.

Rambam / Maimonides is guilty over the heter iska. It is a complicated
device, which pretends that a loan is not a loan, and interest upon
the loan is not interest upon the loan. It has all kinds of hoola hoop
going on, to confuse the observer and even makes them think something
very special and good is going on (!). You could say that it is, in
some sense, a masterful crime, a law which prescribes a masterful way
to overthrow the Torah, while pretending to be 'holy'. It is another
instance of doing good to evil, allowing rent seeking from another Jew,
which is of course forbidden in the Torah. At the end of it all, money is
set aside with someone else, with the goal to gain more out of it later
(the original sum plus profit).

Rambam / Maimonides and Hillel the Elder are likely together guilty
over overthrowing the Jubilee, together with most if not all Rabbis
of Israel. They pretend that "to proclaim the Jubilee to all in the
land" means that the Jubilee is only held if all of Israel is in the
land, even by tribe (!). This is absurd, and deserves even no further
attention. Absolutely abhorrent behavior by the Rabbis of Israel. What was
that about hatred against those who break with the Torah ? Oh, ... well,
that would then be all of Israel at this point ? You see how problematic
this all is ?

Incidentally, I propose you do this [market.socialism.nl] in your Eretz
Yisroel, but if you don't like it, then don't. Only do what you like
and understand.

However, you have to do better than Rabbinical Judaism, or correct the
above listed problems. There are even more big huge enormous problems,
the issue of the Shabbos being broken by the Rabbis as well, because they
created a fake moment for the day to change. This facilitates working
on the evening of the 7th day, which they pretend comes before the night
sleep on the 6th day. Again, this is simply absurd.

This is what they took away from the Torah, but they also added a lot
to the Torah, which is not there. They added double kitchens, very overt
rituals about praying with belts and boxes tied to your head - although
in this case, it's just a very literal reading of the Torah. That you
couldn't even throw a light switch on Shabbath even though that has
nothing to do with hard work anymore. )lighting a fire used to be very
hard work, try rubbing sticks together and you'll know it was probably
going to be the hardest thing you did all week, if you even succeed. Try
it, Rabbis of Israel, and then you will know why it was stated in the
rules of the Shabbos in the Torah ?

Can Israel deal with a rebuke like this ? Absolutely not, or at least
not so far. I now try this group "anti-zionist". Will this be deleted
without a word, as usual ? Will there be anger ? Will there even be a
good ol' Jewish response, with some interest in the topic and a witty
remark to both ends, a talk on the Torah and the truth as it is supposed
to be ? I hope so, but even in those exceedingly rare cases (really,
didn't basically ever happen), nothing gets done. This isn't really a
debate for debate sake. This is about returning to the truth, creating
the peace, preventing humanity from turning into a high technological
monster, worse than any animal ever alive. Humanity already became worse
than the animals. What animal can torture another, and why would they
even do that ? They hurt each other, but humans take it so much further,
and for no reason. This has to stop. The evil has to stop. Stop loving
the rich merely because they have money, stop supporting evil but return
to the highest standard of morality on Earth:

THE TORAH OF MOSHE RABBEINU - greatest hero to ever live on Earth,
likely the one and greatest act of HKB'H ever on Earth, for any people,
so that if Israel does the truth, all of humanity could be corrected by
it eventually. (sigh)

I also like to warn you: if you don't return to the Torah, which you
haven't done for thousands of years, the punishment cycles - 7 times
worse every time - will likely return. Last time was the Nazis, next time
will have to be 7 times worse. It is Game Over time for humanity. Crazy
evil behavior is not possible with nukes everywhere, and all the other
weapons being created.

   End of reply.

SHortly thereafter, a message appeared that this comment was removed by
the moderators ...

    u/AntiZionistJews-ModTeam avatar
    May 19, 2024

    Your comment was removed because it broke rule: No Proselytizing

End quote message. This is a rule they have, which I'll admit I did not
read before posting. I did merely react to the posting, and since they
promoted the so-called "Sages" (which usually includes the traitors
Rambam and Hillel, but there are likely many many other traitors under
this title), I just thought to react to the content given.

Rule of that subreddit:

    No Proselytizing

    This is a Jewish focused sub. Do not promote other religions or
    discuss foreign theologies

End quote. I guess I was adding a link to my own website. Is that wrong
these days ? I read the removal notice in such a way, that they think
that the Torah is a foreign religion and ideology, because they are now
Rambamites. They don't follow the Torah, they follow Rambam and his
treasons, which is certainly loosely based on the Torah, yet different
from it. It is a bit similar to the much hated religion from Rome
(Yoshke the Bastard). I found it un-Jewish to not even bother a reply,
but maybe they where offended by me saying the truth about the lying of
Israel about their own Torah (see above).

Well, I guess my plan to stop talking lasted not long (as usual), but I
wanted at least to give it an all out effort on Reddit. I assumed that I
was going to be banned for telling the truth on Reddit, which is why I
didn't even bother with the main Jewish subreddits. On the main supposed
Jewish subreddits, they are promoting gender madness and 'laying with a
man as with a woman' as well as all manner of lawlessness. I expect to
be instantly banned and possibly they could succeed in destroying my
Reddit account itself, if I told them the truth about the Torah. It
seemed to me to be better to keep the power to still post there for
later, when after the next round of punishment in which likely 95% to
99% of the Jewish people will die they might have changed their tune a
little bit, possibly because most of them would not have survived.

I have to say that I increasingly start to dislike the Jewish people as
a Nation. The lying about the Torah, the pretending not to hear an
argument, the ham fisted blocking, deleting, and a more general lack of
kindness with many (but certainly not all) of them, it does get to me a
little bit on a personal level even. I realize many Jewish people are
delightful individuals, but it is sad in what a mess they are sitting.
You see that I try to be forgiving, but I already decided I will never
join a hard necked Nation like Israel, no matter how succesful they
might later become, and I am thinking of treating Israel with the same
cold shoulder as they treat me. I needed their help sort of, the way
they seem to need my help (because they are so stuck on their LIES to
the point they seem to think their LIES are the best thing they ever
had; their faker Rambam is the best thing they ever had - what a joke).
So, why shouldn't I then treat you to the same, when you start screaming
more and more, as you get destroyed in the second holocaust. Screaming
for help, mourning and asking Hashem "what have we done wrong?!", I can
already see the youtube videos and maybe later even entire books and
newspaper headlines by such titles and the like. It will also be
non-stop 'moshiach moshiach where are you'. This is them, calling out
for another King Sjaul, at least until they repent from their Rambam and
their Hillel. Will that ever happen ? It seems doubtful.

I wonder if the behavior of Israel is going to mean that humanity in
general is going to be cut back in technology drastically during the
Redemption process, because the Jewish people cannot be trusted. They
cannot be trusted with the power, they have more to proof themselves
apparently. If they change under extreme pressure, that doesn't
necessarily proof enough. If you have it good, and you still turn to the
Torah, now you become exceedingly trustworthy. If you only do the Torah
when you are close to being murdered and you seek the help from heaven,
then you will quite possibly run again with the decadence and the
destroyers once your life has been saved.

As the 'autists' (dani18 com) put it: now we don't just have to die for
the Torah, we have to *live* for the Torah. You have to want the Torah,
even when everything is fine and everything is good, seemingly one way
or the other.

The point then becomes: if you do Teshuvah because of the second
holocaust, it doesn't really proof you as being loyal. It only proofs
that you become loyal when you stare death in the face, or after extreme
trauma to your family, friends, yourself. You have to be tested again
after this, and if you fail you need another round of punishment.
Effectively, time would have to rewind in a technological sense, to make
that possible ? I don't know, maybe not, but it is a thought. With the
lesser trust, it makes sense to deny humanity much of their current
technology, until they prove themselves as they should have already done
now.

From the side of the gentiles it is the same, but worse. How can a very
small but finally loyal Israel, shortly after massive trauma 7 times
worse than the Nazis, change a complete globe of humans who have extreme
technology at their disposal ? What are the gentiles going to do with
all this power ? Are they just deciding to listen to the holy Nation, to
take that example ? With all the toys and decadence that it can bring ?
Back in the day when things where simpler, and Revolutions where also
somewhat more straightforward, and land was still widely used by people
working in one person efforts, many things where easier to understand.
When there was another big Tyranny and then a Revolution, those people
would look for inspiration all around where they can. How does that work
when we have a level of technology in the world which is so off the
charts in all of history ? Does the technology make it easier, or
harder, to choose Justice and civilization ? What will the weapons be
like, what will the Tyranny be like ? I don't know the answers to this,
but it seems possible that everything will be cut down again to a
simpler level, to facilitate further testing of humanity, including
Israel, and another chance for Israel (and even other Nations who are
willing to be good or partially good) to spread the truth and how to
live.

If some of these major catastrophies are to happen, which dani18 com
talked about, it seems possible that technology will end up cut down, at
least for a while.

You have yourselves to thank for all this mess, Israel. When help and
answers where given to you, you did your best not to notice. How can you
be surprised if your God ignores you, the way you ignore the obvious
truth ? I think I should also ignore you, and was wondering if it should
be a good additional punishment if - if my system is supposed to be the
Redemption (yeah I know, that's a long shot, but if ...) that you will
never meet me, never know me. That I will die, and you will never even
have had the chance to say hello to me personally. If my proposal is the
Redemption, that would be a nice reward for your worship of phony Sages,
something to remember for the future. You don't just ruin the Redemption
for yourself, but if my proposal is it (yes I know ... a long shot in
your opinion, but who knows I think it is definitely a possibility), you
also ruin it for me personally.

Then again, I don't want to die, of course. Maybe I can watch you do it
fom a distance, since I do not want to know you anymore. I'm not against
you, mind you. It is just upsetting to see the hate coming from you, the
coldness, the mindlessness, the being without any care whatsoever for
the truth, and the way you just ruin the Torah and all the greatness in
it. It is painful to see you create this mess, although you are
yourselves the main victims of your own lies. I guess it is a bit petty,
but: like you don't want to know me, how can I still want to know you in
return ? After trying so hard for so long, and stepping on it with
maximum speed when I was still working on things seriously (not
necessarily for ISrale but I was non stop in thsi mode like 'any moment
any moment this can become widely known and become active, I need to
make it ready now, ready now, more quick fast hurry hurry ...' it was
non stop like that, for more than 10 years. Not so easy work, either,
especially the computer programming.

It is like being in a formular 1 car race, zapping around the corners as
if it is a life or death situation. It felt that way. Then you get more
and more ready ... and you start to alert Israel not even about this
whole effort, but about THEIR VERY OWN Torah and how they have ruined it
for themselves ... and it is like talking to a rock. It is like talking
to a wall, not even a snail because a snail still moves (and if you also
have a garden, you know they are moving faster than you would like!). No
not even a snail, complete standstill, not even a sign of life. It is
like you where tasked with building something, a car a ship whatever, a
bike, and you where to make the wheels but it was super urgent so you
don't even sleep anymore. You work day in day out and every night, just
napping here and there to survive, and you race to the spot for the
assembly with the ready made wheels ... and when you get there you hear
that the team which does the frame, they didn't even bother to pick up
their mail yet to read what they where supposed to do, and the team
which was supposed to do the "group set" (drive train components), they
made a lame initial scetch and then worked on another project, then took
a vacation and left a message that maybe in a few weeks they would think
about what materials could be used, and the team which was supposed to
work out the team clothing for the bike team, they send the order back
because they didn't feel like doing it and no other clothing company had
even been searched for at all by the people doing the project from the
top. But no, you had to work your ass off and suffer, and then there you
stand with some wheels, nobody showing up for anything and you get told:
just put them in the corner over there, who knows if someone will look
at it later.

That's Israel, in the age of high technological weapons, and a whole
line of Fascists has been readied to take over the political sphere of
the global Empire which is falling into decadence and disrepair as we
speak.

Well, thanks for nothing I guess, Isreal. Thanks for nothing.

Oh ... but not so fast (heh). At least Israel still has the Torah, in
written form. Thanks for nothing *at this point* yes, but there is still
hope, if not a heavenly promise, that they will eventually do Teshuvah
and perform the job they where sworn to do on pain of death - on pain
of near annihilation as a Nation. It will very possibly be thanks to
them that eventually eventually, something is still going to happen,
which fixes everything. I sure do notice how the gentiles, they don't
care just as hard as Israel doesn't care, if not worse. They will quite
possibly never do anything, although they could. Israel at least has
put another set of chances into the system, opened a small door of hope,
a door which has been opened by HKB'H himself (it seems), through Moshe
Rabbeinu and the Prophets, and because Israel "dog headedly" made sure
the Torah stayed in existence to this very day, wherein these things are
recorded for everyone to read. It is as easy as ever, maybe more easy,
to overthrow liars like Hillel and Rambam and the Rabbis who promote
those lies.

Therefore it is both, "thanks for nothing, Israel" for now, but it may
well turn in the end, to "thanks for everything, Israel" - without you,
it wouldn't have worked. We shall see. Israel is making this harder &
harder on themselves. At least I tried to do all I can, so you cannot
blame me for it anymore. You can not blame me, for YOUR tarrying.
Neithre can you blame your God, if you had the audacity to think about
doing that. It's all your own choices. You have only one enemy, Israel,
and that is you yourselves.

I called you to come back to the truth, you did not reply.
When you call on someone to tell you the truth because you are being
destroyed, don't be surprised if I at least do not reply anymore.
If you call for your 'moshiach' you are asking for your King Sjaul, the
King you wanted to overthrow HKB'H. Fake all you want that you want King
David. Keep lying to yourself. If you wanted King David or who was it,
this King who re-established the Torah, you would be doing Teshuvah, you
would start caring about your Torah first.

You have destroyed your Redemption with Ease, even though you have asked
for it so many times, so many many times, it is incalculable. Good
people asked for it, and now you ruined it for yourselves. It can still
happen ? I don't believe in it anymore, but show me something and maybe
I will. You are such an enemy of yourself. I guess this is what religion
does to people, it turns their minds into pulp. They cannot think
anymore. They are idolators, lost in the worship of some authority, some
mind flop has occured with them. Emotions of idolatry have strangled the
clarity of their logical mind, and a whole host of vices and the need to
fit in for fitting in sake is doing the rest. This is why a Jew can sit
there with dry eyes, listen to me call Rambam a liar and show him the
prozbul, and literally not notice the fraud but even get upset about
dishonoring the liar Rambam. Simply, blind. This is why I guess Israel
is prohibited from doing idolatry, but it is a hard struggle it seems,
and they are loosing it. God this God that all day long with them. What
god, the god of your prozbul ? The god of your God forsaken land selling
in purpetuity ? All they long they go on and on about supernatural
things, while in the Earth where these laws matter, things are going
from bad to worse. God this god that, lalalalalala, what's the
difference with the Bhuddists, the western idolators ? Lalalalala goes
their mind, Lalalalalala. They think God likes hearing them like this.

Does he ? How do I know, am I a prophet or an angel ?! I don't even know
what the word 'God' or 'god' is supposed to mean. Why would I care ? I'm
not an idolator like you. I care about Justice & Peace, IN THIS WORLD.
That's where we are, didn't you notice that ? Oh my, you have a Torah, I
read it ! It's great, it's a good law for here on Earth, certainly the
economics of it (which includes the Shabbos I guess), in which I try to
specialize a bit, because I don't like poverty or war. Go do your law
then, go listen to this God you say you have. Is your God, God ? I guess
so, who else makes such good laws, ISrael ?! Israel makes good laws ?
I don't think so, I saw what they did and, it fails. THen listen to your
God if you are such idolators who need "authority" who can't think for
themselves, then listen to your Prophets and live. But no, they cannot
do that either ! They trickle in just enough "thought" of their own, to
break it a part, and then for the rest, they pretend they cannot think
at all. What a game ! WHat a set up ! You think your God will fall for it ?

You think you will get your King Sjaul any day now, your 'moshiach' "the
one you want, rather than the one who is actually comming" (to loosely
quote the Alter Rebbe, who seemed to have said the truth), and then you
will reign supreme over Earth with your Rabbis a close in second to your
King Sjaul ? Let's put up the Sun Disk Idol on the 3rd Temple too, right ?
Where is that darned thing, the Lamp of Helena ? Oh no worry, we'll just
make another ? Wait a minute, so you can innovate, you can be creative,
when it is about breaking down the Torah, how interesting. When it
comes, however, to making up a fair use of the land for all when you
pretend the JUbilee is no longer working, what do you do ? Can you be
creative in the other direction, to create "Torah" (Goodness truth and
peace) out of that which was not Torah ? Ah, in that case you end up
with the Zionist Rebel State.

Well, you also had some Kibbutz I guess, a minority of them, who did
distribute the land to all. Kibbutz Moshav ? I forgot the name. So we
see here again, I guess, that there is still a little hope left for
Israel. It isn't a total disaster, even though most of it seems to get
lost, worse and worse. As for me in any case, I cannot help you
anymore. Clearly you don't want to listen to me, so then don't. Have it
your way. I'll try to end this (for the Nth time), saying the same as
when I started somewhere in 2008 or even 2007 (don't recall): happy
dying then. I wish you happy dying, because you have overthrown your
Torah, and you think nothing of it. What more to say ? "Who does not
want to listen, will have to feel it." - Dutch saying.

Return to the Torah, and live. I hope you will all soon see your
Redemption, with ease and happiness for all, speedily in your days, and
that Hashem will wash away the tears from your face, as He has promised.
You suffered a lot, but your God apparently promised you to give you
double in the end, those who return to the truth. May they live forever,
protected by the Creator himself, and eat lots of Challah and bagels
too.

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