Reply to some person claiming to 'be moshiach' MBD

title: Who Will Crown King Messiah? The King of Edom
source: Rav Avraham Shira
link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9S-elju9ar8&t=272s

  Someone wrote a reply under this, along the lines of "if you
  'moshiach' are reading this, then I support you and you will succeed".
  Exact text below in quotes.

Someone suggested they are 'moshiach' and they are in contact with
Hashem or something like that.

  Reply ...

@mashiachEvanbenDavid  Ah ok. This is not a program, but your personal
feelings about what you think is 'god' or something. You want the ... you
wrote: _"I hope to get the attitude of servitude from the ones that claim
to know God."_ Aha ok, so you want good people to serve you ? That will
fix things in the world you think ? You should be regarded a ... you
wrote: _"I am a big brother."_ which says the same.

I asked you about your program, you did not give a program, there is no
plan of action or anything. You wrote to someone that you want unity of
the family. Ok fine (who doesn't). How will you accomplish this lofty
goal ? You think that giving the order will make it happen, with you as
the "big brother" (your words) ?

Just so you know, you do _not_ get my servitude, sorry. I'm against that
sort of thing, it's primitive in my opinion. I think people should talk
together and decide on common issues, or start learning how to do it. Away
with dictatorship, and more democracy please - the more the better. We see
also in real life, that the more there is democracy, the less the people
suffer. When autocracy, dictatorship, power centralization in general
increase, then the suffering increases. When Republics fall, the suffering
increases. When Dictators take over, suffering increases. Unfortunately,
things are not always as simple as they may seem. Nazi coups may be
rebranded "democracy" (USA is great with that, see Ukraine), and so on,
and so on.

We also see flavors of this in the Torah, although not that much I
shall admit. I think the problem with Israel is that they are an unruly
people, who are not well behaved enough to have a real democracy (I
mean a _serious_ democracy, more serious than the Roman Rebublic, who
incidentally had initially a friendship bond with the Maccabean Dynasty,
if I am not mistaken; something to think about I guess). Shamuel also
rejected the Kingship, and HKB'H said that by choosing a King they
rejected him as their King (which I think is correct, but hey it's
easy ... the Torah is so often correct I start to think it is *always*
correct). Notably, there are a lot of restraints on the Kings of
Israel. They are not as Sovereign as some dictators have been. So long
as there where real prophets, they could at least be overthrown by them,
but Israel just went down and down so much, it all became one big pile
of nonsense.

Power spreading to all is part of the Torah though, in my opinion at
least. Right to land (a big one). Freeing of the slaves. A Government
which has restrictions on its power, due to the Torah being an
unchangeable law. Forced loan making by the rich. Forced rest days for
everyone. The Rabbis have ruined a lot of this already, and hence the
exile started ...

Dude you know, in the end, all this is extremely serious. It's not about
someone their personal house gods and their private emotions (as I already
claimed before). It is about laws for Nations, how messed up they have
become, and so ond and so on. What is the law, is the question. The Torah
is law ? Fine, but it isn't, because it was overthrown partially by the
corrupt Rabbis, who are criminals under the Torah now. This is how bad
it is already. When the next round of punishment happens, that will be
7 times worse than the Nazis.

DO YOU READ ME ? 10+ Million Jews are about to die. UNtold numbers of
gentiles will die. Can someone please start to take things seriously
before these fools these Rabbinical fools destroy all of Israel and
themselves with it. oy oy oy Israel ... where is your brain. If all
you did was stop your lies about the Torah and absolutely nothing else,
perhaps that will be enough to save yourselves and get out of exile. Throw
this whole 'moshiach' garbage on the trash heap, but stop lying about the
Torah from now on. Yes, you are lying, and you know you are lying. You
don't ? You should have known by now. Your lies are set to destroy you,
95% or more may be dead within 10-20 years, literally dead, massacred
in various ways by the crazy gentiles.

You heard about a bank failure yet ? It's coming. Remember the Weimar
Republic ? Find your brain and use it. Harden your position, it's
coming. USA, Zionist State, anywhere, nowhere is safe. Stop lying about
the Torah, harden your position, help your brother Jew any way you
possibly can, keep the whole Shabbos to the night until you sleep as
well as you can, be of a nice voice to your people, be nice and humble
and helpful and also of course ... what's the word ... loyal to your
marriage to the maximum you can. Modesty is the word. Listen to your
brother and sister Jew carefully so you understand them and can help
them. I think if you did all this, even if you die, hopefully you will be
found to be a good person worthy of life. I get it that you are scared
of a full scale Revolution or to overthrow your lying Rabbis (which you
pretend are not lying because your brain is lost apparently), but there
are lesser things you could be doing anyway, one way or the other.

If you are in USA though ... the autists said: RUN, run for your lives
! It's very similar to Germany, the assimilation. IT seems, heaven
will not have it. It will be entirely wiped out, it seems (what I can
peace together, and the logic of it). You are Jews you must be Jews,
not gentiles, you must give the example. That is apparently your job,
then do it, and live. Please it's coming. It already started now.

  End reply.

Youtube / Google deleted this it seems, so I post it here. I know this
topic is kind of crazy. I apologize for that. Can I help it that this
thing exists in the world, and is at the forefront of the minds of
perhaps 2 Billion people, and the people where we live (3 complete
religions with hundreds of millions of followers) ?

I wish we could just have a reasoned debate about how to organize
elections, and how to deal with land ownership correctly, and then get
to it and do it. But no ... even the labor union is investing their time
in the mad idea of Basic Income. It's the population their own fault
though. They don't even want it. They don't even want to be free.
Unfortunately for them, the consequence is going to be a level of
slavery they are not going to be happy about, eventually at least.
Then you have more rebellions and civil wars and Revolutions ...

Unless the ruling class can explode your brain with one push of a
button, or set the robots on you. You think that's a crazy idea ? The
people with all the money *are* crazy. They are crazy, criminal, and
have all the money in the world to finance their hobby. Which is;
enslaving you, enslaving the world, and then the Cosmos (lol)

Anyway (what a great day of ranting this is, eh ?), just wanted to add
this personal remark ...

   Continuing above mentioned comment debate ... (first referring to
   this above quoted reply which youtube has deleted - I keep a copy of
   everything here).

My reply here seems to have been deleted, or at least I don't see it. I
often re-post on Usenet on soc.culture.jewish to get around the evil
of the USA. Since I went full nutcase here already (but I have to if it
is true, I'm forced into it because of what will likely later happen),
I might as well continue with what I was thinking about. The question
is non-stop asked "when will 'moshiach' come", and this can be taken
literally: when will 'that person' go up to Yerushalayim, the city itself,
physically. Although I already said I'm not your King and I'm against
monarchy even, and you would bring out someone else to do that for you
under my program, if it concerns my person I have already decided to not
convert to be a Jewish person, because 1. liars cannot convert anyone
to the Torah (and the Rabbis are liars), which was always my original
reason, but now I have decided that I will never convert to being Jewish
or part of the Nation of Israel, because I do not want to be part of a
people who have shown such a hard neck to the obvious truth.

I know, it is nutcasery, who the flip cares, right ? Spot on. Even so,
if it ends up being all correct what I write, then it may matter more to
you in the end, than to me. So this you already achieved Israel, and now
I am also concidering never to visit your country. That would be the next
step, but I am not 100% sure yet, but I'm going to that direction slowly
but surely. This is because your continual lying about the Torah. This
does not mean I'm against Israel or will ever be. Israel is still the
best Nation in the world, with the most caring and smart people, and
pretty much the only hope for mankind. If you don't give the example,
probably nobody will. So there is your answer then: if it concerns this
particular nutcase, the answer to 'when will moshiach come' would be:
probably never, thanks to your lying about the Torah and your rebellion
against the truth. Never is the answer. Also if it concerns the King you
may want to put in under proposed program, that person may already be
there and even born there. He is already there, is the other answer. Have
a good day, nutcase here out ;-).

  End reply.

Cya, until never I guess. You are waiting on nothing, you are waiting on
yourself and your will to be good. Literally, you are waiting on
yourself to do something serious for the Torah, the truth, the peace,
Justice. I have no intention whatsoever to talk or visit a people who
have lied about the Torah for so long, and who kept going with it point
blank against all the arguments, and usually just ignoring them of
course (a potent weapon in the eyes of the mindless).

P.S. (Previous I said the Jewish people don't have a plan, but they sort
of do have a plan: 1. waiting for 'moshiach' whom they think will be a
liar about the Torah (Hillel, Rambam) like them and lead them with the
IDF, or a new rebellion against the Zionist State (depending on what side
you are on), to some sort of military victory against some sort of
attacks, and then they will just build a building on the mount in
Yerushalayim, and whatever society they can cobble together at that
point will be it and they will call it 'the Redemption' no matter how
wretched it might be, or how much fraud and bad behavior it might still
contain. Their 'moshiach' will be a liar like Hillel and Rambam (Rambam
Shemita 10:8, prozbul, heter iska, Shabbos breaking with candle lighting
fakery, Lamp of Helena Sun idolatry, tying boxes to your head), because
they clearly reject the 'rebuking' of these lies, and so they must be
united with them. If they 'want moshiach' and reject the rebuke of their
lies, still continue to 'want moshiach' (so they claim), then that means
they think this 'moshiach' is united with the lies of Hillel and Rambam.

This is basically their plan: military victory through the IDF, or
miraculously being saved somehow. Magically they will also do Teshuvah
at some point, some day, but it is just never this day, never *today*.
It's always the next day. In reality, the Zionist State is small, its
neighboring enemy Empires have an enormous amount of people (Egypt,
Turkey, Iran, each about 80 Million if I recall ?), the Zionist State
has not even 10 Million Jewish people in total ? The practical life line
for the Zionist State is the Empire USA, who is now under the control of
a Revolutionary Fascist. Hence, they are hoping on a miracle.

Hoping on a miracle from the God who has a death penalty for breaking
the Shabbos, which they are breaking by fake law (a few still keep it
to the end though, so I was told; perhaps they will receive a miracle in
the end, I hope so for them), who ordered them to nullify the loans
in the 7th year which they broke by fake law, who told them to honor the
Jubilee and the right to land for all which they also broke by fake law
interpretation (Rambam Shemita 10:8) and which they clearly are not doing
in the Zionist State where they now have control over large amounts of land.
The Jubilee should already have happened in the Zionist State. Did they
do it yet ? I never heard a thing about it.

There are a lot more laws they break, but I'll focus on the economy.
From this God, who already has a death penalty over the Shabbos breaking
let alone making phony laws which breaks *all* Shabbos for everyone who
listens to that (which is pretty much all of them now ?), from this God
they expect a miracle to survive. They are under a death sentence from
this God and His laws, yet they expect a military miracle to survive as
a Nation and Sovereignty. That's the plan.

Their plan is a miracle.

Will it come ? Maybe, since they are still Israel, the love of heaven,
the hope for humanity. I hope they will all live, happy ever after, and
want to see the truth; speedily in our days ...


(P.P.S. I wonder if they will crash the banks before Trump takes over
officially, so that he gets shielded from the political consequences ?
I don't know, it seems possible. If they crash the banks later, they
will have to explain how it wasn't the Dictator's fault, right ? If they
can succeed with that, perhaps they will do it later, who knows.

Well told you so, Trump would win. You see how the Democrats don't even
fight it ? At least not to my knowlebge. They wanted Trump as well. It's
all one big criminal clique. Can you afford a watch like the one Harris
has, supposedly the voice of the common people, the "workers" ? It's all
a show. They gave it to Trump: Biden the fall guy the zombie, and then a
woman who was probably also never going to be elected because that just
never happened before. They all want Trump, because he is fit to be the
madman who bloodies his hands when the economy goes wrong thanks to the
looting of the criminal ruling class; bloody domestically and bloody
internationally ... That is at least how it looks. Harden your position.)


P.P.P.S. (What a great day of ranting indeed ! ;-) lol

This MBD reminds me, that in a Jewish traditional naming convention my
personal name would be: Jos ben Douwe, with Douwe ben Jo being the
father. Funny. Birthday: Nissan 22. Sorry if you don't like the truth
and can't cope with it. That's your problem, or your prophets problem,
not my problem. 14 April 1974 = 22 Nissan 5734, or 5954 in 'Egypt 430
years' year count, which is also Easter in both western & eastern
Yoshke the Bastard idolatry churches (those dates jump around). This is
at least what I could piece together.

Don't like it ? Excellent, maybe you are not an idolator then ! You
don't care about this silly stuff. Awesome. Let's talk about the economy ?
Finally a real person. Let's do something serious, about this mess on
Earth. The idolators, maybe we can influence them later using all this
crazy stuff, and at least get them out of the way to a degree.

Aww you don't like it that I don't talk in mystical voice, wear weird
clothes and get the support from your power structure, so that you can
safely worship me as your King ? You wanted so badly to worship someone,
your super hero. Awww well, I have an idea for you. You go look up a toy
store nearby, and buy a spider man suit. Wear it and play spiderman and
super man with your friends ! It's so much fun !!! You can also buy
little bat man and super man statues for in the house, and then when you
have problems you just hope super man will come help you. It happens in
the movies ! Why not in real life, right ? Pray hard and keep the hope
alive.

(That's it for today I think ... sorry about this.)
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