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De : Josjoha (at) *nospam* market.socialism.nl (Jos Boersema)
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Date : 07. Feb 2025, 12:17:38
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Israel is a proud and idolatrous Nation¹, but arrogance comes before the
fall.

title:  What World Event Will Trigger The Coming of The Messiah?
source: The Torah Channel
link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsUcUWaf_pk

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Then why don't _you_ do Teshuvah ? I am wondering now if the Rabbis
will not merely oppose the Torah as they have done since they overthrew
the Jubilee and now much of the Torah economy, but if they will become
_active_ in fighting the Redemption as well, when it starts to happen. If
you - the Rabbis - are going to launch campaigns and propaganda when the
Redemption is happening, to try to stop it, because it may be undermining
your status, expose your lying about the Torah and the guilt the Rabbis
have for causing and perpetuating the exile. If you had the courage
and honesty to do Teshuvah over Rabbinical Judaism (which probably is a
death penalty under the Torah, to follow Rabbinical Judaism), you would
already have done it. Therefore I now wonder, to what extend will the
Rabbis become active, and not merely passive by ignoring the Torah,
when the Redemption is perhaps starting to finally happen.

Will you lower yourselves to such an extend ? Will you add to the
guilt of having caused all these holocausts and also the next holocaust
(indirectly), and then also actively _fight_ against the Redemption,
perhaps even with weapons and anger in the streets ? It's not that this
worries me a lot, but I am merely wondering about it. I don't think
you have much of a military chance to do much, and if the God of Israel
is going to do what the prophets seem to have promised, the Rabbis are
going to be defeated one way or the other. Perhaps it is a good thing
if you went into an open fight against the Redemption and the house of
David, because then all of Israel can truly see the extend of Rabbinical
treason to the Torah. It will make it so much more obvious that you are
the enemies, and then you can be expelled with a unity of the people
who _did_ return to the truth.

I know I didn't substantiate the claim that the Rabbis are against the
Torah, but that is also because you already should know, and if you
do not, then you are basically already guilty. You should know why the
Rabbis are enemies of the Torah, and where exactly they have overthrown
Hashem. You should even know why they did it, and how to overturn it, and
then you should try to do just that. This is minimum civilized behavior
for a Jew, in my opinion, if I read the Torah. You really don't have a
clue, don't you.

Rambam Shemita 10:8, prozbul, heter iska, fake day ending to break
the Torah by your own fake laws, Sun idolatry at the late 2nd Temple
'lamp of helena'. The worst one of these is probably the first one I
mentioned. You will _never_ be able to be Redeemed, if you don't afford
people their right to land (one way or the other). That is not how an
economy works, and you are guilty of not showing the Nations how things
work. The consequences eventually will be (we can now see) a nuclear war,
and hopefully that will be this trigger for the Redemption, but if not
that then something worse may happen and that may trigger it. Trigger
it in the sense of Israel finally breaking with their criminals called
Rabbis, that is. It is not about 'moshiach' waking up one day and finally
going out the door. That is the delusion Israel is in, who always tries
to blame heaven for her own crimes.

Not listening to these statements, within the logic of the Torah, is
basically already the death penalty. Do you understand that. You are all
under a death penalty for ruining the Shabbos with your fake laws alone,
but ruining the Jubilee is (in my opinion) even worse. It is a miracle
this mess that is Israel is still around at all. I think at this point
it is probably best to give the Redemption to the Kairites, and all the
rest will be removed. At least they had the guts to stand up against the
lying Rabbis and their money making scams. Abraham had courage, Moshe
Rabbeinu was courageous, and they did it for the sake of the truth. So
much unlike the Rabbis and their following, certainly since they became
what they are now. I guess heaven will have to "sort them out", since
you don't want to listen to some obvious problems, problems even a child
can solve. The next round of punishment will have to be 7 times worse
than the Nazi holocaust, after which you _also_ did _not_ do Teshuvah
for following this criminal system of yours, called Rabbinical Judaism,
with your main liars: Hillel and Rambam.

Not the Redemption is coming for the lying Rabbis and their following
and much of the rest of Israel, but 7 Nazi holocausts. Not peace,
but war. Not Redemption, but exile, even worse exile. The light that
you worship, it will become so powerful on Earth, that it will destroy
(nuclear bombs). Maybe then you will know that physical light is just
another natural phenomanon or creation if you will, part of the balance
of this system. There is dark, and there is light. Worshiping light is
like worshiping high temperatures versus low. It's crazy. If there was
no darkness, then there would only be something like an all consuming
fire like on the Sun. You are pagan idolators, who worship the Sun and
you think you can do whatever with the Torah that you please, because you
usurped that authority despite this not being allowed within the system
of the Torah. When Hillel made up the prozbul, that was your declaration
of war against Justice, the truth, and - if you will - heaven, your God.

It is a funny thought, that all you may have to do is listen to this
one message, or just the paragraph or even one line where it lists
your complaints, and the Redemption could become an unstoppable force
already. All you have to do, is almost like lift a finger, and it could
already start. Yet, you don't do it. When you think later about why you
where this obstinate, then I think the answer is your idolatry. This is
the price you pay and are likely going to pay, for your idolatry. You
are waiting on your idol, and therefore you think you don't have to
act. Think about this when you see your Nation annihilated, or when you
are next. It is because of idolatry. Time & again the Torah said to you,
stop being an idolator, stop worshiping idols. It was to save you from
this sickness, and then perhaps soon you are going to truly see the
consequences of it. It causes the apathy which destroys everything. Was
Abraham an apathetic person, was Moshe Rabbeinu ? Absolutely not, the
opposite. They where _not_ idolators. So different from the average Jewish
person, who is still an idolator like this. Still they sit around waiting
for their idol to come save them, when they can just basically walk into
a potentially eternal paradise with relatively little effort. You all
did it to yourselves.

Notes
1. This is not in relation to the gentiles, who typically are 10 times
   worse in every way, i'm sorry to say. This is about Jewish people
   versus the Torah, not Jewish people versus other people. It is all
   between Israel and the truth, or Israel and her God as they would put
   it. They are proud of themselves, of the polished wood in their
   Yeshivas (well I have to admit, it is typically an outstanding job
   how Israel makes things) ... but it's not the Torah, it is not enough
   Torah to get out of exile, sorry. If anyone is upset with me for
   calling Israel out for their lies, or not groveling for your fake
   Rabbis and phony Sages, just think about how bad it would be if there
   was another liar on Earth who fawned for these crazy people and their
   lies, who would bow to the lies like you are bowing to them. Would
   that be helpful, would that "make the world beautiful" if there was
   yet another little slave to the lies you have created ?

   Such children these people are. They think they are awesome because
   they can cut wood nicely. Certainly I also think they are awesome for
   it, and how they can bind books and write so much. It doesn't matter
   if it is not ultimately enough peace & justice to stabilize this mess
   on Earth or even this one Nation. It doesn't matter what I think, it
   doesn't matter if most Jewish people can bake bread better than me
   and do everything better than me. It doesn't matter if Rabbis know
   more about the Torah then me.

   What matters is doing enough Torah to make humanity survive at least.
   For the absolute minimum you need to honor the right to land, which
   in the case of Israel is the system of the Jubilee (50th year). What
   matters is what Israel is doing relative to the truth, and a child
   can see the lies of the Rabbis, such as the prozbul or on purpose
   misreading the Torah about the Jubilee. The scam level is so bad,
   it's such a joke of a scam, anyone can see through it. A criminal can
   say, a horrible person can say: Israel is a fool, only a fool on
   purpose misreads the Torah like that, and even a fool would know that
   they are fooling around.

   Regardless though, they are a hard necked and proud people
   unfortunately, not so much compared to other Nations, but compared to
   where they need to be to admit they have been lying, and doing
   something about it. They lack that courage and honesty, and that is
   not relative to anyone else including me. That is relative to the job
   that needs to be done, so then question becomes why they are not
   doing it. The answers which seem to be the most likely true are:
   pride and idolatry. They are proud, hard necked, mindless and
   idolatrous, to such an extend they are capable of going on with their
   obvious lies about the Torah. Somewhere in this list is a stack of
   vices, so large that it blocks them from doing a minimum of the Torah
   (of the truth, peace & justice, which in Israel is called 'Torah').

   You'll notice that I didn't add criminal intentions to this list. I
   don't think Israel is criminal in intention, at least not for the
   most part. What they are doing is criminal under the Torah, but I
   don't think Israel has overthrown the Torah for the will to be evil
   and being a looter and predator against other innocent people. While
   there is obvious crime in Israel as within every Nation, I doubt that
   it is the will to be criminal which causes them to overthrow the
   Torah. It is probably more a combination of these: stupidity
   (mindlessness), pride (angry when challenged, upset when being told a
   truth and not wanting to listen to the complaint), hard necked
   (obstinate, ultra-conservative to 'what their fathers did'). This is
   also what the Prophets seem to have said: a hard necked people, who
   lack understanding. I guess I would add pride to that list, as a
   driving force behind these two. Too proud to change, too proud to see
   their fathers where wrong, too proud to listen to a complaint that is
   true, too proud of all their other accomplishments. Pride makes
   people mindless. They no longer take any advice, they think they know
   it all (that reminds me of me, but anyway haha). Pride makes people
   obstinate, they think they are already great and therefore any change
   is going to make it less. Pride drives mindlessness and obstinacy,
   lack of understanding and a hard neck.

   The 'autists' on dani18 com said to Israel: "Lower your pride." I
   don't think that was an accident that they said that, or at random.
   That was precisely what is the problem. Proud Rebbes with their
   special robe. Proud Rabbis with their certificates. Proud Yeshivah
   students, pretending to follow the will of heaven. Then lower cast
   Jews, who just sit there and take it in the face I guess, and not
   having the time to seriously study the Torah. Perhaps a bit of a
   victim caste here, like in so many Nation: upper class rich and
   lawless, lower cast which is more or less unruly, poor and confused.

   I guess the goal is to both not be proud, yet have courage, which to
   an extend bite each other. If you are proud, it feeds your courage.
   If you are humble, it may make you too cowardly, too scared to say or
   do anything. Moshe Rabbeinu was said to be extremely humble, yet we
   can read in the story that he was also incredibly brave to the point
   of fearlessness (in a good way I mean). Complete sacrifice for the
   good, acting in a most brave manner against evil activities. Humble
   and brave at the same time, for the sake of the truth. Such a man,
   Moshe Rabbeinu, hero of heroes on Earth. This is the model for the
   Jew I suppose, whose idolatry feeds their apathy which may feed their
   fears and their lack of bravery.

   Truly caring for the truth does a lot for being both humble and brave.
   If you really care about the truth, about what is justice, you can
   suddenly act bravely against all odds. If you care for the truth, you
   also know your own faults, and this makes you humble. This may then
   be a medicine for the Jew: the truth, to learn to seriously care
   about the truth. It undermines pride or at least combats the worst of
   it (but we are humans, how great can any human really be, and in
   everything?), it undermines idolatry (because idolatry is typically
   if not always lies and deception, a fraud), it undermines a hard neck
   if you want to _know_ where your forefathers and yourself had been
   wrong, and obviously it combats stupidity and mindlessness.

   Incidentally, the 'autists' also constantly stressed that it was
   going to be about the truth, the Emet. Speaking about 'the truth' I
   had this thought: there are a lot of Jewish sources talking about the
   'knowledge of God' would increase, and they interpret that as that we
   humans would understand God better somehow. Like how God feels ?
   Whatever of this may also be, I just had the thought that 'the
   knowledge of God' is that which God knows, and what is it that God
   knows ? God knows the truth, he is after all the Creator and
   sustainer of everything, down to the last subatomic particle and the
   great expanses of galaxies in the Universe. 'The knowledge of God' is
   the overarching truth, within which all the different viewpoints are
   also accounted for as views of this or the other person(s) and also
   as sides of this overarching truth (or sometimes, being identified as
   lies, merely empty talk, or a set of errors, etc). The idea being
   that these 'religions' who stress God as a unity God of everything,
   have this principle as a bit of a weapon or truth against the crazy
   idolatry, which has done so much harm to people in the past, such as
   causing delusions and even wars. The unity element: 'Love God above
   all' meaning, love that element which cares about everyone and
   everything, so that you do the same and you can be fair and just to
   all, and even against yourself if you did wrong. From these a bit
   philosophical ideas, you get to this reading that 'the knowledge of
   God' is not knowledge about God itself on its own or as an entity,
   but knowing the truth about this reality, because that is what this
   God knows (about it). Right ?

   Funny how these things converge, but I guess I am simply copying and
   rearranging the existing ideas.

   Why does this ranting matters ? I guess it doesn't, but the point is:
   focus back on the world, we live here and our problems are here. When
   you say 'the knowledge of God' and then you shoot off into some
   bizarre system of Kabbalah, come back here to Earth and first deal
   with the lies of the Rabbis, because the knowledge that the prozbul
   is a fraud is one of these things that God will know, and now you
   should know it as well. You see it from the God perspective, as it
   where. You don't merely see the lazy Judges at the 2nd Temple having
   fewer court cases and more bribes, which they may call "beautiful",
   but you also see how it undermines Israel as a Nation and how later
   they all go down together. The Rabbis may have find it grandiose that
   they now usurped the power to break the Torah and make up their own
   phony laws, but if you look at it from the 'all' perspective, you see
   that they are poisening and destroying their entire Nation, including
   perhaps even themselves.

   Then do something about the things that matter, such as land
   ownership and loans. That is the point. Once all that is done, once
   the world is at peace, we can sit around and play go (Weichi, Baduk),
   or try to understand how heaven works. First dealing with the
   problems, first the work, and then the rest, then the party. Not the
   other way around. Not first the party, and then having such a hang
   over you can't do the work anymore.

(At this point, I figure even heaven is fed up with my endless rantings,
sorry.)
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