The 'principles' of faith are not good (enough), a distraction.

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Sujet : The 'principles' of faith are not good (enough), a distraction.
De : Josjoha (at) *nospam* market.socialism.nl (Jos Boersema)
Groupes : soc.culture.jewish
Date : 14. Feb 2025, 13:27:16
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link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXZKydrW5Ec
title:  Why Mashiach hasn't come yet?
source: Richmond Torah Center Chabad

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Hello, if I can add a thought to this ? It seems to me you are saying
that Rambam / Maimonides was a prophet, because what he did you are
taking this as an authority and a source on its own. The written Torah of
Moshe Rabbeinu has a lot of words in it, and the Tanach in whole is not
short. At no time did they feel it was necessary or even good enough,
to put "13 principles of faith" in there, even though they could have
easily done it.

What is this goal of turning the Torah into a smaller set of "principles"
? Who made that a goal, and what could be their purpose. Perhaps because
I personally don't trust people easily, my first idea would be that they
made this up because they where looking for fame for themselves. We can
make it easier though, and answer the question about Rambam directly:
Shemita 10:8. Here Rambam claims that when the Jubilee is to be announced
to all the people in the land, that this is now supposed to be (mis) read
as meaning that all the Jewish people should be in the land (and even
by tribe), or otherwise the Jubilee does not have to be conducted. This
establishes Rambam as a criminal under Torah law, who would likely have
the death penalty for deceiving Israel. Unfortunately it is even worse,
because Rambam is guilty of making up the _heter iska._ Rambam is an
enemy of the Torah, and therefore an enemy of Israel and an enemy of
heaven. Sorry to be the one to have to alert you to this, and perhaps
make you more guilty over following Rambam if you refuse to listen to
the obvious. It is so obvious, it is not possible to debate it. Right
? A child can see it.

Unfortunately again, it is worse: Hillel the Elder made up the _prozbul._
End of story, it also does not have to be even debated. This is war
against Hashem and the Torah. This then also answers why there is no
Redemption. The answer is in the likely reaction to a comment like
this. Will you listen ? The moment that you don't, now you know from
the inside out why there is no Redemption yet. You have just caused it.

Since for a while I have also been thinking about this story about Hillel
saying to someone to stand on one leg and once he heard "do not do to your
neighbor that which is hateful to you", then Hillel told the man that this
was the essence of the Torah, and he could now go and study the rest of
it, which in the opinion of Hillel was mere commentary (!). This is the
Hillel you are following, this is the creation of Rabbinical Judaism. If
you are feeling ashamed, there must be a world of hope for you, but if
not' then I don't know either what the future should be. The Torah is
mere commentary, what a statement. Hillel apparently thought he found
the one principle behind the entire Torah: an idea from Greek philosophy
(I suppose). Is this where this idea is coming from, or this tradition,
to try to find principles behind the Torah ?

While I'm not necessarily against it doing that (why not think about
things, is that harmful? I guess not?), the Torah already has this:
*Love your neighbor as yourself, and God above all.* Why did Hillel
feel the need to change that. The Torah already has it, and so much
more. This _so much more_ is where it gets problematic especially,
because if Hillel the Elder had the ability to compute something as
good as the Torah from the statement he gave to that man, then all
would be good, right ? Then he would _not_ have made up the prozbul,
because he would be knowing what he was doing. He would be able to
compute the entire Torah from one principle. He was not able to do it,
clearly. This implies that for him, a human being, the whole Torah was
not "mere commentary", but he needed those details to live a good life
(which he did not, obviously). To make it even worse, after the famine
they put a Sun reflector on the inner building of the Temple, and so this
system fell into explicit Sun idolatry, and this Temple of Idolatry was
then destroyed by Rome not long after (as far as I understood things).

So I was thinking too about these supposed principles, and the best
thing I can come up with is not an idea or a "faith" thing, but rather an
_action:_ the action which Moshe Rabbeinu took, when he defended those
people who where abused by Egyptian guard(s), so that he killed those
guards. Think about this action. Moshe Rabbeinu has everything in life,
right ? He lives at the Egyptian court as some sort of honored person. He
strongly acts against the injustice, for the sake of those abused people,
and he turns his life at a palace into that of a life on the run in the
desert. Did I understood this correctly ? I feel that this is perhaps
the principle behind the Torah, and the statement to be ideological
about it can be this one I tried quoting above: love your neighbor as
yourself. It is technically also superior to what Hillel said (in my
opinion). Hillel makes it a statement of do no harm, where as the Torah
says: do good. Then Hillel turns around, and removes the doing good from
the enforced laws in the Nation, by ruining the Torah debt nullification
for the poor (the fool that he was !).

I didn't listen to the whole video, just the first 10 minutes (which
is long for me listening to something supporting Rambam, so don't feel
bad). I think you had it right in your introduction, perhaps it's your
Jewish soul coming through. What is all this talk worth about principles,
does it help me to do good to others, to perform the Torah in daily
life ? What does it matter what you believe, what matters is what you
do. I think that is accurate, although belief can also inspire action,
the action is where the value is.

To complete all this: the Rabbis also broke the Shabbos in half, because a
day goes from night sleep to night sleep. This is also a death sentence,
I'm sorry to say. To be secular (philosophical, ideological, scientific,
logical, etc), it can quite easily be explained _why_ the Jubilee (right
to land) is in the Torah, and why the prozbul is wrong and why the Torah
is right. Markets in land is not how an economy functions, this passive
power centralizes, causing slavery and abuse to come about. Value comes
from work, and to give loans to the poor easily and with forgiveness
strengthens the Nation and is a security network for everyone.

There is no Redemption and no moshiach either, because perfectly easy
to understand arguments like the above, always seem to fall silent on
the hard neck and pride of Rabbinical Judaism, which is a movement
that has created the exile, and very slowly but surely, they dance
Israel away further and further from the Torah, while pretending
the opposite. Snap out of it, and start the Redemption, today. Have
a _guten Shabbos._ P.S. Also, it is already the year 6 005 it seems,
as it was 430 in Egypt. The Torah says so, but this apparently doesn't
matter to the Rabbis anymore. Corona lockdown was 6 000. Can you believe
that ? Amazing isn't it. Is this where Hashem shows his awesome "arm" ?
This is not a little bit of a miracle, isn't it.

   * End reply.

P.S. Continuing on Usenet. For some reason for the last 2 days, it seems
like a certain pressure has come off of the need to alert Israel about
the corruption of the Rabbis. It seems things are at a state of being
casual for some reason. There is on need anymore to do it.

Perhaps this is because it truly is obvious how Israel has rejected the
Torah and there is no more hope, or perhaps this is because there was
some kind of a block on the whole thing, and now the chance for the
Torah to come back has finally come. Who can tell, I don't know. Perhaps
some Jews finally care, perhaps it is so hopeless it doesn't matter
anymore.

We do notice how Fascism is making a full out comeback with the
assumption of power of Donald - "I feel great about torture" - Trump,
shockingly with the help of even a certain amount of Jewish people.
Everything seems to be repeating itself ...

+ The debt crisis (You didn't know there is a debt crisis ? lol)

+ The rise of Fascism in the western world, again with the help of the
  USA and this time centered in the root area of that Empire.

+ The explicit Nazis (like Azov batallion), who where part of the coup
  d'etat in Kiev in 2014 when Obama was the gangster in chief over there
  have been assaulting Donbass, and this is now *again* becoming a huge
  war between western / middle European Nations against Russia.

+ Shocking levels of decadence in the western Empire, with people
  rebuilding their bodies into the other gender and the population
  having done insane enough to fly a flag everywhere officially and on
  their private houses, which celibrates something that I better not
  describe here to keep this article fit for all ages.

In other news, already years ago the news came out how Bill Gates
(infamous for the inferior software called Micro$oft Windos) owns half
of the agricultural land in the USA.

Do you see the connection with the Jubilee and the prozbul ?

You are living the monster you have created. A monstrous economy where
people are landless, and where debt becomes such a burden it crashes the
entire world down. IT is as if the entire world is convicted of
suffering that which they have put the poor through.

You are living your own nightmare, the mad dream you have created
yourself by not understanding and caring the Torah, and not doing the
Torah, not doing truth & justice (especially on the topic of the
economy, which is a key topic for any Nation, isn't it).

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