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De : Josjoha (at) *nospam* market.socialism.nl (Jos Boersema)
Groupes : soc.culture.jewish
Date : 17. Feb 2025, 04:36:30
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title: Yemot Hamashiach (16) - Does Mashiach Know he is Mashiach? -
       Rav Shlomo Katz
source: Shlomo Katz

  Someone replied to my recent comment here, writing some things which I
  did not understand. Something about the 5th layers of the Torah ? I do
  not know what that should mean.

  Reply ...

Hello. Thanks to your reply. I have to say though, it doesn't make sense
to me what you are writing, sorry.

Perhaps I should have made it more clear what I meant when writing that
Rambam and Hillel are obviously wrong. I am referring to the following
technicalities of law, if you will: the overthrow of the Torah by
Israel 21+ centuries ago, which is a horrible and (near) irredeemable
corruption of Rabbinical Judaism, written down in the book Shemita
10:8. It writes there that all of Israel needs to be in the land, but
this is obviously not what the Torah writes there in the quote Rambam is
citing. The Torah says that the Jubilee will have to be proclaimed to
all the inhabitants of the land. Israel does not set law by precedent,
although it may _interpret_ law by precedent I guess to a degree (but by
the then living high priest, so even that is by the living people). This
is also in the Torah, IIRC.

To say that the Jubilee is not needed is absurd and criminal. Apparently
they are not thinking about anything anymore, because it is completely
obvious to see that what they are doing is unacceptable. One moment the
land is lend out to the next 50th year, and so an amount of land is in
that state. Then some shenanigans happen with some tribes leaving the
one Sovereignty, all the way somewhere else from where you are living,
and suddenly some rich criminal won't give you back your land in the next
50th year ? Who are those rich criminals ? I suspect, they are the ones
who gave the money to what eventually became the Rabbis, to put these
fraudulent concepts out as laws and verdicts in court, and this became
Rabbinical Judaism as it exists now.

To pretend the Torah requires everyone to be in the land, is not an
_interpretation_ of a law in the Torah anymore. There is no possible
way this is a reading of the Torah. This is crime and this is fraud,
and also why they where exiled. This is what I refer to with the two
problems, the dishonesty to pretend that this is in any way reasonable
(Rambam Shemita 10:8), and then also the actual concequences of the phony
laws they made up, which implies people do no longer have their right to
land honored. This means they will be landless or more and more landless,
and the few criminals will be more and more rich. This will end in a
Tyranny such as in ancient Egypt and many other places in the world.

Other horrible treasons of the Torah include the _prozbul_ which was made
up by Hillel the Elder. It is described in the Shulchan Aruch. This is
again not interpretation of the Torah or precedents refining law in any
way whatsoever. This is burning down the Torah and declaring yourselves
Sovereign over it. The prozbul is a particularly laughable device of
phony law, since it pretends a loan is the same as a court verdict,
while the courts have been set up to make sure this kind of loan does
never happen. The loans are supposed to be nullified in the 7th year
for the poor. Again you see how the rich ruined the whole structure
of the Torah economy. This is the Plutocracy which has ruined Israel,
and indirectly is ruining the world, because Israel failed to give the
example, and now we are here: landlessness is the norm, and the debts
are choking the world to death (you will soon blow that up into global
nuclear war, believe it or not, but it is another debt crisis, just like
with World War 2). State debt, an absurd and criminal device currently
conducted by all Governments.

The world is a mad house. I suggest you buy some rice and get ready
for anything.

'Moshiach' is a person, this is how I understand it at least. Moshe
Rabbeinu was also a person, and this is how things go. Marx was a person,
even if you don't agree with him (I do not agree with him). Montesque
was a person (I do agree with his concept of separation), and so on,
and so forth. If laws are ideas and principles, then you may just need
one person to do that job. If it is true and good, then that is all you
need really. Given the simplicity of these issues, anyone can do it, and
it is an incomprehensible shame upon modern man and all these supposed
adults running around in the world, that they cannot figure out these
simple problems for themselves already, and live the truth. For this,
many of them will soon lay dead on the ground, in the coming wars and
the consequences thereof, and all the misery and death which has already
happened because of these kinds of issues, particularly economic issues.

The Rabbis don't care whatsoever what I write above, even though it is
obviously true. For this reason and for how long they have kept Israel
in a state of corruption (some 84 generations ?!), I think it may at this
point be better that all the Rabbis will be banished from the Redemption,
and asked to leave to Egypt or wherever. This especially if they keep
their necks hard until even the second holocaust has happened, which at
7 times worse than the Nazis would be killing 95% to 99% of all Jewish
people in the world. After this catastrophy, I wonder what right the
Rabbis still have to even be on the territory of what may become the
Redemption of Israel. We will see how it goes, but this is what I am at
least thinking about. Their corrupting influence cannot be sustained,
and if they keep going with their obstinacy, then they made their choices
against the truth and for the criminals to the bitter end, and shown
who they are: enemies of Israel, enemies of peace, enemies of Justice,
enemies of the Creator if you will.

Perhaps they are indeed, these fabled 'mixed multitude' which HKB'H
already warned against, not to allow them in with Israel. Also, HKB'H said
all of Israel needed to die, but Moshe Rabbeinu prevented it, and now we
have this mess. I therefore think that this death penalty upon the entire
Nation of Israel is still hanging above their head, and it may soon be
executed at least to a great extend. (This if you want to go 'religious'
about it, but it is also all natural consequences of their phony laws).

It seems to me you are quite confused. This is about reality. Money,
land, economics, poverty, greed, war, and so on, politics, ideology, etc.

  * End reply.

Again I see here, that when I do not give precise quotes about the
issues of laws Israel is betraying, then some people hook into it with
a reply. When I am precise (as I should be of course), then it gets
ignored.

The reason I see for this, is that when it is precise, it is serious,
and when it is not precise, it may just end up being read as more
gobblygook on the Internet, and people can read it in any way they feel
like, not comprehending that there is something serious and technical
behind it (technicalities of law if you will).

By the way, if we include in what to expect for the future, that which
'the autists' have said on dani18.com (which is not generally accepted
by Israel, but some do seem to agree with it), then there will be a
large amount of death of Jewish people happening due to the passing by
of this additional planet (or sister star) of the Sun, and the impact of
certain relatively large stones on the Earth which are orbitting this
body. The point being, that a large amount of the death rate of the
Jewish people, may not come only from World War 3 or any Tyranny done by
the ruling criminals. It may also come in the form of a more generalized
catastrophe on the Earth, which wipes out large amounts of people from
large areas of land, even to the extend of areas so large as entire
Nations (as far as I understood it).

It is probably quite hard to get to a death rate of 95% to 99% by human
activity, although it may be possible. If this is part of the whole
program of punishment on humanity and Israel as well, then it will get
closer to these kinds of numbers more easily.

I realize all this is extremely far out, and until we see hard proof of
this, it is hard to really take it too serious from a Scientific
perspective at least. It is also an event which is more or less beyond
human capacity to deal with, although you could do a few things to
survive it (the autists say: move to Eretz Israel, immediately, and
especially leave the USA and also leave Brittain, and that much of
Europe would be under water).

Since it is clear that humanity wants to ultimately be evil and go to
war on the cosmos (idiotic as that may sound, but they are already
weaponizing space so to say), this may be the answer already from 'the
cosmos'. Humans declared war on the cosmos. Cosmos replies: you are
hereby nearly wiped out. What a joke humans are. What a shame and what a
joke. Up and down the food chain, it's a joke what is going on on Earth.

Still, also so much good and hard work is happening, and that makes it
so sad it will probably all end up destroyed. Why the great idiocy, why
the violence ? How can you be so idiotic as to think the way of violence
and lying will produce a world worth living in. The greed, the
selfishness, the obsession with cars and their own petty lives. All for
themselves, and together to hell. Not all, but far too many, and that is
how this world is getting itself in trouble.

--
Economic & political ideology, worked out into Constitutional models,
with a multi-facetted implementation plan. http://market.socialism.nl

Date Sujet#  Auteur
16 Feb 25 * There is nothing more to say, the same old is still true.4Jos Boersema
16 Feb 25 `* Rabbinical blame shifting, blaming 'moshiach' ...3Jos Boersema
17 Feb 25  `* Re: Rabbinical blame shifting, blaming 'moshiach' ...2Jos Boersema
17 Feb 25   `- Re: Rabbinical blame shifting, blaming 'moshiach' ...1Jos Boersema

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