Re: New paper: Neanderthals were not subspecies of H. sapiens, but different species

On Thu, 26 Dec 2024 17:22:24 -0600, the following appeared
in talk.origins, posted by RonO <rokimoto557@gmail.com>:
 Commenting solely on the subject, my recollection is that
the accepted taxonomy was that there were two subspecies: H.
sapiens sapiens and H. sapiens neanderthalensis. Is that now
considered to be incorrect?
 

On 12/14/2024 12:21 PM, Ernest Major wrote:
On 14/12/2024 16:32, erik simpson wrote:

On 12/14/24 6:58 AM, Chris Thompson wrote:

https://scitechdaily.com/rewriting-evolution-study-shows-
neanderthals- and-humans-were-not-the-same-species/
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Interesting paper.  It's turning out that species is a slippery
concept.   If two species never interbreed, they're clearly separate.
If the occasionally interbreed, they may still be separate, but how
occasionally?  I'd agree that Neanderthals are separate.  It's
interesting that interbreedability can go on for a surprisingly long
time, hundreds of thousands of years.  Some plants are still separate
species after tens of millions of years of interbreeding.
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Some plants are still interfertile after tens of millions of years of
presumed isolation. For example North American and European species of
lime (basswood), oak, plane, poplar, and horse chestnut (buckeye). Is
that what you meant; if not I'm curious what taxa you have evidence for
tens of millions of interbreeding; I would have thought that evidence
for such would be hard to come by.
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Brassicaceae should count.  Many hybrids are viable and have produced
new crop plants.  Think of broccoflower (broccoli and cauliflower).
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They wanted to put restrictions on making them roundup resistant because
so many weed plants interbreed with them that the resistance was likely
going to get into the weeds.
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Ron Okimoto