Re: When was the observer effect (physics) first observed?

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De : ecphoric (at) *nospam* allspamis.invalid (*Hemidactylus*)
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Date : 22. Sep 2024, 12:40:01
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J. J. Lodder <nospam@de-ster.demon.nl> wrote:
IDentity <identity@invalid.org> wrote:
 
On Thu, 15 Aug 2024 18:42:53 +0100, Martin Harran
<martinharran@gmail.com> wrote:
 
It seems to have been first formally stated by Heisenberg in 1958 his
book "The Physicist's Conception of Nature" but I would have thought
that it would have been noted earlier than that.
 
The reason I'm asking is that Teilhard de Chardin effectively
describes it in his foreword to 'The Phenomenon of Man' - "Object and
subject marry and mutually transform each other in the act of
knowledge; and from now on man willy-nilly finds his own image stamped
on all he looks at."
 
Teilhard wrote that somewhere in the last 1920s/early 30s which more
or less coincides with the early days of QM. I'm wondering if Teilhard
was reflecting what those involved in QM were already talking about or
whether he arrived at this under his own steam.
 
The old Chinese sages knew all this stuff thousands of years ago. They
understood that to understand the world, you must first understand
yourself - your mind. 
 
Like Jung said:  "Who looks outside, dreams. Who looks inside
awakens."    
 
External reality is a dream dreamed by the mind, and to wake up you
must realize that you are the dreamer.
 
Niels Bohr was a deep admirer of TAOism and probaby got many of
scientific his ideas from here.  He didn't get far enough in his
understanding though to realize that TAO represents the fundamental
principle of the GUT science is still looking for. 
 
Sure. Please introspect the value of \alpha for us,
 
 
137?

“But where did 137 come in? Pauli became convinced that the number was so
fundamental that it ought to be deducible from a theory of elementary
particles. This quest took over his waking and sleeping life. Driven beyond
endurance, he sought the help of Jung…”

https://www.bps.org.uk/psychologist/looking-back-odd-couple




Date Sujet#  Auteur
15 Aug 24 * When was the observer effect (physics) first observed?19Martin Harran
15 Aug 24 +- Re: When was the observer effect (physics) first observed?1JTEM
16 Aug 24 +* Re: When was the observer effect (physics) first observed?2erik simpson
16 Aug 24 i`- Re: When was the observer effect (physics) first observed?1J. J. Lodder
16 Aug 24 +* Re: When was the observer effect (physics) first observed?2*Hemidactylus*
16 Aug 24 i`- Re: When was the observer effect (physics) first observed?1Martin Harran
16 Aug 24 +* Re: When was the observer effect (physics) first observed?2Ernest Major
16 Aug 24 i`- Re: When was the observer effect (physics) first observed?1Martin Harran
16 Aug 24 +- Re: When was the observer effect (physics) first observed?1Burkhard
21 Sep 24 `* Re: When was the observer effect (physics) first observed?10IDentity
22 Sep 24  +* Re: When was the observer effect (physics) first observed?4J. J. Lodder
22 Sep 24  i`* Re: When was the observer effect (physics) first observed?3*Hemidactylus*
22 Sep 24  i `* Re: When was the observer effect (physics) first observed?2J. J. Lodder
23 Sep 24  i  `- Re: When was the observer effect (physics) first observed?1Bob Casanova
23 Sep 24  `* Re: When was the observer effect (physics) first observed?5erik simpson
23 Sep 24   `* Re: When was the observer effect (physics) first observed?4Bob Casanova
23 Sep 24    `* Re: When was the observer effect (physics) first observed?3J. J. Lodder
23 Sep 24     +- Re: When was the observer effect (physics) first observed?1erik simpson
23 Sep 24     `- Re: When was the observer effect (physics) first observed?1Bob Casanova

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