Re: West Virginia creationism

jillery wrote:

On Tue, 2 Apr 2024 16:48:04 -0400, Ron Dean
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jillery wrote:

On Sat, 30 Mar 2024 15:33:24 -0400, Ron Dean
<rondean-noreply@gmail.com> wrote:

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erik simpson wrote:

On 3/30/24 11:11 AM, Ron Dean wrote:

Bob Casanova wrote:
Advocates can point to empirical evidence which they claim supports
intelligent design. However, they can not point to any evidence that
they can claim points to the identity of the designer. But
in their world that's sufficient. Evidence of design is the Cambrian
explosion where a myriad of new body plans appeared abruptly,
geologically speaking.
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The problem is information. How and from where did the information to
build the bodies of the Cambrian animals come from? If the present is
key to the past. At the present time, today information comes only
from mind. So, must it have been during the Cambrian.

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Ron Okimoto

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You need to educate yourself about the "Cambrian Explosion".  It's been
a subject of great interest for many years, and there's a great deal
that's been learned about it.  "Intelligent design" has presented no
such record of accomplishment regarding this period, nor the preceding
Ediacaran period.  In fact, it hasn't any record of accomplishment
regarding any subsequent period.  "It looks designed, so it must be"
isn't evidence of anything except ignorance.  Ignorance itself isn't
bad, since there's an available remedy. Hint; information doesn't come
from the mind.  It goes IN to the mind.
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Really, if information goes into mind, this still does not answer the
source of information, especially the origin of highly complex
information contained in DNA. Have researched this topic?

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aA-FcnLsF1g

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Once again, you rely on baseless claims.  You offer zero basis to
claim that information comes only from a mind, either now or in the
past.
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Information is knowledge from books, observation, communication,
research, experience etc.. As such it requires mind. There are no known
exceptions.

  DNA information comes from none of the sources you identified above,
therefore it doesn't exist.  QED.
 

Each and every source of the information I mentioned, this information involves the mind.
Information exist, and since it does, since there's no exception, then it follows that information contained in DNA must also come from a mind. Accidental, mindless, random processes give nothing, but gibberish. Where there's nothing, but gibberish there is nothing for which natural selection can select. And over time meaningless gibberish only increases. There is absolutely no empirical evidence to the contrary only trust, faith and educated guesses and above _all_there is hope_.

 

  You identify zero empirical evidence that supports ID. Instead,
you wave an ignorant finger at events like the Cambrian Explosion and
things like "information" and "complexity", and baldly assert them
evidence of design.

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Life itself is evidence of design.

 Your comment above is not empirical evidence, but is instead a
baseless conclusion.  Try to recognize the difference.
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There is empirical evidence that life exist, and it had to have a beginning. There is _no_ better explanation than the origin of life was by a intelligent designer. Empirical evidence has shown via experimentation (Redi & Pasteur) that life comes _only_ from life.  In _fact_ there is no known exception or no Bother _known_ explanation.
The belief that life originated via blind, mindless, aimless natural processes requires more than faith. In this absence _and_ the presence of life is in itself empirical evidence of the existence of a designer. (God) The burden of falsifying God's existence falls on the unbeliever.

 

Why is there life? What impelled dead
matter towards life? Was it just accidental? At one time the argument
was that first life was a _simple_ cell.
Furthermore, according to what we find in the fossil record is primarily
gaps.

  Before you again ask mindless "why" questions, try to identify the
difference between "dead" and "live".
 

Believe me I know the difference between live and dead. I was in the hospital room when my precious 5 year old granddaughter took her last breath. For hours the medical staff kept her sedated, however the pain meds finally ran out and rather quickly her pain began returning. My son rushed out to find a nurse or doctor, but none came. In minutes a terrible pain turned her face into a twisted mask of senseless, horrible agony and heart wrenching cries, she begged "mommy help, help me mommy mommy please"; mon collapses to the floor, Then looking up towards the celling she shook her head saying "no, no I don't wanta to go, I don't wanta  go".
By now my wife was holding her and my beautiful granddaughter, suddenly she raised her arms upwards as if she was reaching for someone that was not there. A few seconds  later her face became peaceful and bright; her arms fell to her side. She was gone. At that moment I will always believe I saw something. Within minutes, my son with a doctor and a nurse appeared examined the 5 year old then went to treat the mother. After the mess wore off my granddaughter was aware until the end. I blamed the medical staff for their carelessness and no heart.  For years this haunting episode burned into my memory to the point I could not sleep. I've serous contemplated taking my own life.
But with all of their past experiences they must develop a kind of mental block.  My daughter in law, her mother passed away two years ago. She never got over her loss. >

And then you demand others prove your baseless claims false, while you
baselessly handwave away evidence for evolution via unguided natural
processes.  That's one way to justify spamming mindless PRATTs while
making zero effort to identify either positive evidence for ID or
negative evidence against unguided evolution.
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Once again, unguided evolution explains why there are no Cambrian
rabbits.  Identify what is ID's explanation for that lack, or show
once again you have no idea what you're talking about.  Pick your
poison.

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