Re: Top three reasons for optimism about the ID scam

On 12/3/2024 8:20 AM, Martin Harran wrote:

On Mon, 2 Dec 2024 09:08:28 -0600, RonO <rokimoto557@gmail.com> wrote:
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My take is that most Christians no longer fear God in this way.  It is
why most Catholics are just fine with the Heliocentric heresy.
Heliocentrism was never removed as a heresy in the Church.

 It was never removed as a heresy because it never was a heresy. You
have been told that multiple times, yet you persist in stating it.

This is absolutely wrong because of the last major fuss about the issue where it turned out that heliocentrism was only a minor heresy at the time that Bruno was executed.  It was not the reason for his execution, but was one of the heresies that he was found guilty of.  We found out that it wasn't made into a capital heresy until the protestants started to make it an issue claiming that the church was being too soft on the heretics.  When Galileo was charged with the heresy it carried the death penalty.
Even the Bruno sources claimed that it was one of the things Bruno was found guilty of, but was not what he was executed for.

 

It was only
down graded, to a more minor heresy

 There is no such thing as a "minor" heresy. There are degrees of
heresy including one of being *suspected* of heresy which was what
Galile was charged with.

Apparently there is because the heliocentric heresy was only down graded to such a minor heresy in the 19th century, and was never dropped as a heresy by the church.  We found that out in the last major dust up.  The source that was put up then had the conclaves cited that had made the decisions, and the dates.  As laughable as it may seem, the evidence was discounted by your side because the article was written by a conservative catholic priest who was a geocentrist.  What you need to do is determine that those conclaves never happened and those decisions were never made.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_affair#:~:text=Galileo's%20opinions%20were%20met%20with,to%20be%20%22formally%20heretical%22.
"Galileo's opinios were met with opposition within the Catholic Church, and in 1616 the Inquisition declared heliocentrism to be "formally heretical".
Galileo faced the death penalty when he was tried in 1633.
The conservative Catholic source that was put up before noted that it was the influence of the protestants that forced the issue that resulted in Galileo being investigated by the church for his views, and cited the conclave and date for the upgrade of the heresy.  That same source cited the conclave in the 1800's that downgraded the heresy back to what it was before Galileo.  That source claimed that heliocentrism remained heretical.  It was obviously something worth finding Bruno guilty of and investigating Galileo for before it became a heresy punishable by death.   The Bruno sources claimed that Bruno had been found guilty of the heresy, but that it did not hold the death penalty at that time that supported the conservative Catholic priest's account.  It was some type of lesser transgression before it was upgraded.
Ron Okimoto

 

not punishable by the death penalty,
in the 19th century.  It is why the Pope can come out in support of
biological evolution, and most Christians don't care how old the earth
is.  There is still a lot of fear-of-God involved in Christianity, but
it doesn't have the strangle hold that it used to have.
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Laurie Lebo covered the Dover case and part of her story was her
interactions with her father.  Her father supported the ID scam because
of what he believed his god would do.  He wasn't bathing in the love and
communion, but was in fear of hell's fire and damnation.
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Ron Okimoto