Re: Causal determinism and non-materialist atheism

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De : me22over7 (at) *nospam* gmail.com (MarkE)
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Date : 01. Jan 2025, 12:01:26
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On 1/01/2025 9:19 am, John Harshman wrote:
To put it another way, even if we can't support reason in a material universe, adding God or any other non-material entities does nothing in addition to support reason. It does nothing to increase any expectation that reason exists.
If the thing preventing reason is causal determinism (i.e. the billiard balls will rebound where they must), then could not an interventionist God impart the capacity to humans to override this material constraint?
There remains the question of what is imparted exactly, and how does this provide the ability to truly reason?
Also, I'd be wary of pressing this to a kind of dualism, whereby (crudely) our physical brains are just a front for the immaterial soul which is the real brains behind the operation. Equally (as a theist), I'd be wary of denying the existence of an immaterial soul.
You may have detected that I'm somewhat uncertain of these things.

Date Sujet#  Auteur
30 Dec 24 * Causal determinism and non-materialist atheism25MarkE
30 Dec 24 +* Re: Causal determinism and non-materialist atheism5Kerr-Mudd, John
30 Dec 24 i`* Re: Causal determinism and non-materialist atheism4erik simpson
30 Dec 24 i `* Re: Causal determinism and non-materialist atheism3RonO
30 Dec 24 i  `* Re: Causal determinism and non-materialist atheism2MarkE
31 Dec 24 i   `- Re: Causal determinism and non-materialist atheism1RonO
30 Dec 24 +- Re: Causal determinism and non-materialist atheism1MarkE
31 Dec 24 +* Re: Causal determinism and non-materialist atheism16Burkhard
31 Dec 24 i+* Re: Causal determinism and non-materialist atheism9John Harshman
1 Jan 25 ii`* Re: Causal determinism and non-materialist atheism8MarkE
1 Jan 25 ii +* Re: Causal determinism and non-materialist atheism6John Harshman
2 Jan 25 ii i`* Re: Causal determinism and non-materialist atheism5MarkE
2 Jan 25 ii i `* Re: Causal determinism and non-materialist atheism4John Harshman
2 Jan 25 ii i  `* Re: Causal determinism and non-materialist atheism3MarkE
5 Jan 25 ii i   `* Re: Causal determinism and non-materialist atheism2John Harshman
5 Jan 25 ii i    `- Re: Causal determinism and non-materialist atheism1LDagget
2 Jan 25 ii `- Re: Causal determinism and non-materialist atheism1Burkhard
1 Jan 25 i`* Re: Causal determinism and non-materialist atheism6MarkE
2 Jan 25 i `* Re: Causal determinism and non-materialist atheism5Burkhard
3 Jan 25 i  `* Re: Causal determinism and non-materialist atheism4MarkE
3 Jan 25 i   +- Re: Causal determinism and non-materialist atheism1Kerr-Mudd, John
3 Jan 25 i   `* Re: Causal determinism and non-materialist atheism2Burkhard
4 Jan 25 i    `- Re: Causal determinism and non-materialist atheism1MarkE
4 Jan 25 `* Re: Causal determinism and non-materialist atheism2Mark Isaak
5 Jan 25  `- Re: Causal determinism and non-materialist atheism1Ernest Major

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