Sujet : To sum up
De : me22over7 (at) *nospam* gmail.com (MarkE)
Groupes : talk.originsDate : 06. Feb 2025, 07:29:54
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Has talk.origins run its course, with this incarnation (post-GG meteorite impact) the last of the dinosaurs?
And what of the Origins debate? My contention is that progressive discoveries with the complexity and precision of life are making Mt Improbable higher and higher [1]. ID has gained and sustained traction because this trend is real. I would add to this arguments relating to first-cause, fine-tuning, the Cambrian explosion, etc.
Yes, I am aware of the general disagreement here with my position.
Time will tell...
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[1] Examples of ongoing upward revisions as to the complexity of life (and therefore greater difficulty for naturalistic explanations):
"The more we unravel the biochemical underpinnings of life, the more improbable its spontaneous emergence seems.”
Paul Davies – The Fifth Miracle: The Search for the Origin of Life
“Researchers have shown that translation of the genetic information stored in our DNA is much more complex than previously thought. This discovery was made by developing a type of advanced microscopy that directly visualizes the translation of the genetic code in a living cell.”
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2019/06/190606133759.htm“DNA is life's blueprint? No, there's far more to it than that Much of we thought we knew about the genome is proving too simplistic, show The Deeper Genome and The Developing Genome. New metaphors, anyone?”
https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg22630251-000-dna-is-lifes-blueprint-no-theres-far-more-to-it-than-that/“Recent studies have described even more layers of codes and ways the genetic system is ordered in each cell. Two completely new superimposed codes have been described that greatly complicate genetic regulation—messenger RNA folding, and multi use codons called “duons.” In addition, this week the large international FANTOM project published 16 studies that demonstrate vast new complexity in the way DNA regions are triggered. In fact, more and more new studies reveal higher levels of genetic complexity.”
http://jonlieffmd.com/blog/new-studies-reveal-higher-levels-of-genetic-complexity“According to Neo-Darwinian theory, major evolutionary changes occur as a result of the selection of random, fortuitous genetic mutations over time. However, some researchers say this theory does not satisfactorily account for the appearance of radically different life forms and their rich complexity, particularly that observed in vertebrates like humans.”
https://www.thethirdwayofevolution.com/related-reading“Though speculative, the model addresses the poignant absence in the literature of any plausible account of the origin of vertebrate morphology. A robust solution to the problem of morphogenesis—currently an elusive goal—will only emerge from consideration of both top-down (e.g., the mechanical constraints and geometric properties considered here) and bottom-up (e.g., molecular and mechano-chemical) influences.”
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0079610716300542“New research published in 2017 has discovered that the tail system is far more complex than thought 50 years ago. The front design is vital to transmit information to distant parts of the tail to enable it to function as an effective unit for steering and propelling the sperm to its end goal.[i] The system works by complex elasto-hydrodynamics that we can only briefly outline here. Each tail is programmed to produce slightly different movements in order for the sperm to reach the egg.”
http://www.theoriginoflife.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=628:sperm-tail-is-far-more-complex-than-thought&catid=81&Itemid=108
“Recent studies have identified many exceptions to the widely held view that signal sequences are simple, degenerate and interchangeable. Growing evidence indicates that signal sequences contain information that specifies the choice of targeting pathway, the efficiency of translocation, the timing of cleavage and even postcleavage functions. As a consequence, signal sequences can have important roles in modulating protein biogenesis.”
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16919958This article discusses how defining life biochemically is becoming increasingly complex due to new discoveries that challenge traditional boundaries. It argues that as we learn more about prebiotic chemistry and extremophiles, the criteria for life become harder to pin down. This evolving understanding highlights gaps in our knowledge of abiogenesis and may require rethinking what constitutes life. It emphasizes the interplay between known biochemical pathways and emerging, unexpected ones.
https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/10.1098/rsif.2021.0814?utm_source=chatgpt.com