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On 10/03/2025 6:27 pm, Martin Harran wrote:You may like to imagine you are disagreeing with Martin, but it's quite clear to me that you are disagreeing with St Auustine, probably because you haven't bothered to try to understand his point.On Mon, 10 Mar 2025 15:14:27 +1100, MarkE <me22over7@gmail.com> wrote:Once again we disagree.
On 9/03/2025 8:59 pm, Martin Harran wrote:He is referring to exactly what you are doing.On Sun, 9 Mar 2025 17:48:41 +1100, MarkE <me22over7@gmail.com> wrote:Augustine is referring to the _what_, not the _how_, right?
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You're finally getting it! To creatures like us, special creation by God""Usually, even a non-Christian knows something about the earth, the
looks like magic, yes. God conceives in his mind and speaks into existence.
heavens, and the other elements of this world, about the motion and
orbit of the stars and even their size and relative positions, about
the predictable eclipses of the sun and moon, the cycles of the years
and the seasons, about the kinds of animals, shrubs, stones, and so
forth, and this knowledge he holds to as being certain from reason and
experience.
"Now, it is a disgraceful and dangerous thing for an infidel to hear a
Christian, presumably giving the meaning of Holy Scripture, talking
nonsense on these topics; and we should take all means to prevent such
an embarrassing situation, in which people show up vast ignorance in a
Christian and laugh it to scorn."
St Augustine
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