Re: Science has a news article up about "living fossils"

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De : john.harshman (at) *nospam* gmail.com (John Harshman)
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Date : 12. Mar 2024, 00:28:16
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On 3/11/24 4:17 PM, RonO wrote:
https://www.science.org/content/article/these-gars-are-ultimate-living-fossils
 Open access article:
https://academic.oup.com/evolut/advance-article/doi/10.1093/evolut/qpae028/7615529?login=false
 These researchers looked at Gar, but it also applies to sturgeons. These two bony fish lineages seem to have a very slow rate of molecular evolution.  The changes in their DNA accumulate so slowly that two lineages separated for over 100 million years can still form fertile hybrids.  3 million years is pushing it for species like lions and tigers that can still form hybrids, but the hybrids are sterile. Bonobos and chimps are around 3 million years divergent and can still form fertile hybrids, but the claim is that these fish evolve orders of magnitude more slowly than mammals.
 The Science news article claims that mammals accumulate 0.02 mutations per site per million years, while these fish averaged only 0.00009 mutations per million years.  For the 1100 coding exons that they looked at for this study these fish evolve much more slowly than mammals.
 The news article notes that other "living fossils" such as coelacanths (0.0005) evolve faster, but slower than amphibians (0.007).  It sounds like terrestrial animals evolve faster than fish.
If it's repair mechanisms they hypothesize as the cause of slow evolution, they really should be looking at junk sequences rather than just 4-fold degenerate sites. I suggest introns. And if the introns aren't alignable, well, that kills the theory right there.

Date Sujet#  Auteur
12 Mar 24 * Science has a news article up about "living fossils"19RonO
12 Mar 24 +* Re: Science has a news article up about "living fossils"17John Harshman
12 Mar 24 i+* Re: Science has a news article up about "living fossils"15Ernest Major
12 Mar 24 ii`* Re: Science has a news article up about "living fossils"14John Harshman
12 Mar 24 ii `* Re: Science has a news article up about "living fossils"13erik simpson
12 Mar 24 ii  +- Re: Science has a news article up about "living fossils"1John Harshman
12 Mar 24 ii  +* Re: Science has a news article up about "living fossils"2Ernest Major
13 Mar 24 ii  i`- Re: Science has a news article up about "living fossils"1erik simpson
13 Mar 24 ii  +- Re: Science has a news article up about "living fossils"1RonO
13 Mar 24 ii  `* Re: Science has a news article up about "living fossils"8jillery
13 Mar 24 ii   `* Re: Science has a news article up about "living fossils"7John Harshman
15 Mar 24 ii    `* Re: Science has a news article up about "living fossils"6jillery
17 Mar 24 ii     `* Re: Science has a news article up about "living fossils"5John Harshman
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18 Mar 24 ii       `* Re: Science has a news article up about "living fossils"3John Harshman
18 Mar 24 ii        `* Re: Science has a news article up about "living fossils"2Ernest Major
18 Mar 24 ii         `- Re: Science has a news article up about "living fossils"1John Harshman
13 Mar 24 i`- Re: Science has a news article up about "living fossils"1RonO
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