Re: The Golden Ratio

Bob Casanova <nospam@buzz.off> wrote:

On Thu, 14 Mar 2024 13:58:30 +0100, the following appeared
in talk.origins, posted by nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J.
Lodder):
 

Bob Casanova <nospam@buzz.off> wrote:
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On Wed, 13 Mar 2024 13:39:38 +0100, the following appeared
in talk.origins, posted by nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J.
Lodder):
 

Athel Cornish-Bowden <me@yahoo.com> wrote:
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On 2024-03-07 22:31:27 +0000, Bob Casanova said:
 

On 7 Mar 2024 17:51:40 GMT, the following appeared in
talk.origins, posted by dgb (David)
<david@nomail.afraid.org>:
 

On 7 Mar 2024 at 17:41:02 GMT, "J. J. Lodder" <J. J. Lodder> wrote:
 

dgb <david@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
 

On 7 Mar 2024 at 09:38:23 GMT, "J. J. Lodder" <J. J. Lodder> wrote:
 

Kalkidas <eat@joes.pub> wrote:
 

dgb (David) <david@nomail.afraid.org> Wrote in message:r

Does this occur by accident?https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden

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tio

Or by design?

 
It will never be known.

 
There is nothing to know there,
 
Jan

 
The thing to know, Jan, is that it hasn't all happened by accident!

 
It hasn't happened at all.

 
You are, of course, mistaken.
 

Wrong. Nothing "happened"; the so-called Golden Ratio, like
all mathematical relationships which describe observed
phenomena, is a property of physical

 
mathematical
 

 reality, no more. And,
of course, no less.

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You are wasting your breath. Bob is an incurable materialist,
incapable of abstraction and idealisation,
>

Ummm, I didn't say that there are no parts of math which are
abstract, only that all math relationships WHICH DESCRIBE
PHYSICAL PHENOMENA are properties of those phenomena.

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So the integers are a property of your football scores?
"No more, and no less", like you say,
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Overgeneralizations and "football scores" aside...
 
If I understand you, the mathematical relationships which
describe observed physical relationships do *not* describe
those relationships?

Mathematical relationships are mathematical.
They have nothing to do with any reality at all.

OK. Maybe the word "properties" is
what's causing you grief? Or maybe it's the phrase "no more
and no less; if that's the case consider it removed,
leaving:
 
"...the so-called Golden Ratio, like all mathematical
relationships which describe observed phenomena, is a
property of physical reality in the sense that it precisely
describes such physical relationship."
 
Better? Clumsy, of course, but since hyperbole and/or
imprecision in general discussion is apparently verboten...

Still completely irrelevant,

Jan