Re: CONTRARY EVIDENCE (WASRe: Evide)nce!

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De : specimenNOSPAM (at) *nospam* curioustaxon.omy.net (Mark Isaak)
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Date : 21. Mar 2024, 17:43:38
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On 3/20/24 10:52 AM, Ron Dean wrote:
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As I've pointed out so many times before, several writers most famous was Wm. Paley who presented the scientific evidence, known at the time as evidence of design. But he went one step to far, he identified his God as the designer. But with no supportive evidence. I personally think this became the purpoise of Darwin's labors. To "explain design without Paley's God". If true, and I think it is, Evolution is an _alternative_ methodology to explain the same evidence and the same facts.
You should read Paley sometime. His book, if you read the implicit arguments as well as the explicit claims, is quite a good argument *against* design. For example, his oft-cited opening gambit of finding a watch on the heath contrasts the watch with the forbs, insects, and other life all around the finder.  The watch looks designed; the life looks different. In other places, he says, essentially, "Life is so much more complex than cameras and such. Imagine if we built our devices with that much complexity." Yes, do. Imagine if you iPhone had to scavenge for parts to make copies of itself, and removed essential parts of your refrigerator and automobile in the process. Do you think any *real* designers would want that?

And in the final analysis it's ones own personal _paradigm_ that takes charge, presides and over-rides every thing: opinion, belief evidence and facts. So, I think it's a stalemate!~
Yes, Paley is a good example of that. Mind made up; evidence need not apply.
--
Mark Isaak
"Wisdom begins when you discover the difference between 'That
doesn't make sense' and 'I don't understand.'" - Mary Doria Russell

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13 Mar 24 * Re: CONTRARY EVIDENCE (WASRe: Evide)nce!142Ron Dean
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