Re: CONTRARY EVIDENCE (WASRe: Evide)nce!

Ron Dean wrote:

jillery wrote:

On Wed, 20 Mar 2024 13:04:32 -0400, Ron Dean
<rondean-noreply@gmail.com> posted yet another self-parody:
 

jillery wrote:

On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 18:37:55 -0400, Ron Dean
<rondean-noreply@gmail.com> posted yet another self-parody:
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<snip pointless digressions>
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prove that Life appeared not from
non- life which is exactly what a believer would predict.

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I suppose, if your "believer" believes the Bible stories of God
breathing life into dust.
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I heard this statement as a child. Not sure where in the Bible it's
found. But you as an atheist naturally would rather die before admitting
there may be a God (designer).

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Since you mention it:
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Genesis 2:7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and
breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living
soul.
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Genesis 3:19 for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.
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As someone you repeatedly and baselessly and pointlessly claim to be
an atheist, that I quote the Bible to you raises your words to scorn.
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Even though I have thought of you as an atheist, This was the only time
I actually expressed this thought.

  Even if your comment above was technically correct, which it isn't,
that you assert the point even once, and without apology, is
sufficient to raise your words to scorn.
 Worse, you repeatedly and baselessly and pointlessly conflate
evolutionists and atheists.
 Worse, you now evade the original point, that Bible believers claim
life comes from non-life.
 Worse, once again you post a lie trivially proved false:
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From: Ron Dean <rondean-noreply@gmail.com>
Newsgroups: talk.origins
Subject: Re: Masterclass
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2024 12:28:33 -0500
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As an atheist, for you to bear false witness against someone has no
consequence for you.

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 Is it your intent to continue to lie for God?  If so, you're doing a
great job.
 

I never deliberately lie. I been mistaken, but they were honest mistakes.

Explain to me what consequences do you think atheist are concerned with. IOW what was Hitler's, Stalin's or Pol Pot's concern about consequences of their actions. Remember these men were engaged in genocide, after they gained the power, each had millions of people murdered. Do you think either of the 3 gave thought as to the consequences of such actions for themselves?

I'm just curious.  I'm not suggestion this action would be taken by another atheist given the power to do so. But what about the mass murderers in the US in recent years. I also know many serial killers were raised in religious households. But many turn away from their religious  roots, but only to return later.

 

so much wrong with that nonsense it is difficult to
know where to start. First, most people simply do not have the desire to harm other humans, most likely a mix of hardwired, evolved traits that make us hesitant to be too violent to con-specifics (a trait we observe across the animal kingdom), plus a benign
and nurturing environment during childhood. Yo apparently feel otherwise, and the only thing that prevents you from
acting on your desire to kill, maim and rape is the
fear of divine consequences, but that is in itself
worrying and not a good thing at all, probably
requiring professional treatment. After all, a
mere crisis in faith, something people experience
all the time, would make you a danger to everybody around you.
As to Mao, Stalin and Pol Pot, you are totally wrong
on their psychological make-up and the role religion, or the absence of it, plays in their actions. Sure their actions are horrible, brutal and morally
wrong "for us", from the objective outsider
perspective. But that is not how they would have
characterised them themselves. They did not think
of themselves as "baddies", let alone baddies who
will get away with it due to lack of divine retribution.
They saw themselves as hard-working servants of
their respective causes, who took lots of
personal sacrifices for the benefit of the people.
And they were surrounded by folks who reaffirmed
that view of themselves constantly. And because
of that, fear of divine justice is neither here
nor there. Had they been religious, that would have done the exact same thing, just believed
in addition that God was either going to reward them
for it (verily, did He not order to attack the Amalekites and totally destroy[a] all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys? All they did was just as instruments of
His wrath...) Or if they realised that some of their
means were morally dubious, well, repentance on
the deathbed would have been all that it takes. That's why Mirko Jović called for "a Christian,
 Orthodox Serbia with no Muslims and no unbelievers" before his soldiers, wearing the sign of the cross
on their uniforms, embarked on a campaign of mass
murder and systematic rape. Or why two nuns, Maria Kisito and Gertrude Mukangango assisted in
the murders of hundreds of Tutsis who had sought refuge
at their convent.
The social function of a belief in divine justice, or
an afterlife, is not to deter people from doing what they want to do, it almost never works like this
because almost everybody sees themselves and their
actions as justified. The social function of a belief in the afterlife instead is
directed at the observers of such actions and the
victims, satisfies THEIR desire for justice and revenge, and in this way contributes potentially to social peace. It is the "mine is the vengeance, says the Lord" function
that can dissuade the observers of these atrocities from seeking revenge in this world, which can help breaking
the circle of violence, If I'm convinced that Mao, Staling
etc will get eternally punished in Hell, I may be less inclined to seek in turn their and their follower's death.
But even that only works to a degree, and more often
than not has the opposite effect, resulting in the type
of open bigotry that you put so amply on display here.