Re: CONTRARY EVIDENCE (WASRe: Evide)nce!

Burkhard wrote:

Ron Dean wrote:
 

Mark Isaak wrote:

On 3/22/24 5:39 PM, Ron Dean wrote:

Ernest Major wrote:

On 21/03/2024 16:06, Ron Dean wrote:

jillery wrote:

On Wed, 20 Mar 2024 13:04:32 -0400, Ron Dean
<rondean-noreply@gmail.com> posted yet another self-parody:
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jillery wrote:

On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 18:37:55 -0400, Ron Dean
<rondean-noreply@gmail.com> posted yet another self-parody:
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<snip pointless digressions>
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prove that Life appeared not from
non- life which is exactly what a believer would predict.

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I suppose, if your "believer" believes the Bible stories of God
breathing life into dust.
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I heard this statement as a child. Not sure where in the Bible it's
found. But you as an atheist naturally would rather die before admitting
there may be a God (designer).

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Since you mention it:
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Genesis 2:7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and
breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living
soul.
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Genesis 3:19 for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.
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As someone you repeatedly and baselessly and pointlessly claim to be
an atheist, that I quote the Bible to you raises your words to scorn.
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Even though I have thought of you as an atheist, This was the only time
I actually expressed this thought.

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Even if your comment above was technically correct, which it isn't,
that you assert the point even once, and without apology, is
sufficient to raise your words to scorn.
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Worse, you repeatedly and baselessly and pointlessly conflate
evolutionists and atheists.
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Worse, you now evade the original point, that Bible believers claim
life comes from non-life.
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Worse, once again you post a lie trivially proved false:
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From: Ron Dean <rondean-noreply@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: Masterclass
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2024 12:28:33 -0500
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As an atheist, for you to bear false witness against someone has no
consequence for you.

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Is it your intent to continue to lie for God?  If so, you're doing a
great job.
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I never deliberately lie. I been mistaken, but they were honest mistakes.
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Explain to me what consequences do you think atheist are concerned with. IOW what was Hitler's, Stalin's or Pol Pot's concern about consequences of their actions. Remember these men were engaged in genocide, after they gained the power, each had millions of people murdered. Do you think either of the 3 gave thought as to the consequences of such actions for themselves?

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What answers did you get last time you engaged in this bit of ad-hominem?
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One could turn round your question, and ask what consequences you think Christians like Hitler, Putin and Trump are concerned with.

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Pure cynicism!

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And what about people for whom theism is their greatest motivator, such as Obama bin Laden? Cynicism seems a rational response.

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Are you suggesting that Obama bin Laden is typical of Islam?

 So if you name three atheists to make your point, this is permissible and not
at all bigoted, but if Mark cites a theist to debunk your insinuation, that
commits him to a statement about all theists? Once again different rules
for you and everybody else, no? And why do you think his statement was about
Islam specifically, and not theism, despite what Mark said?

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I asked Mark a question. Even more important I don't justify violence, wars
or mass murders, serial killers any killing other humans for any reason, except
in self- defense or in defense of ones family.

 If so,

you're probably right. Historically, Arab Armies conquered the middle east and started to conquered Europe.

  Historically, the Pope divided the globe between Christian Spain and Christian Portugal, so that they could conquer the Mesoamerican and
African empires and bring Christianity to them on backed by gunboats
and muskets.

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I do not approve of any of this!
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Historically, the Pilgrim Fathers came to northern America, and
their co-religionists to Australia, Africa and Asia, eradicaing
local cultures and their religions for the greater glory of God.
Historically, the Crusaders build empires in the middle east, the
Lithania, Estonia, Prussia, Poland and Latvia.

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That's wrong too!

 So this type of argument is not really helping you, unless you want to help Mark finding even more examples of how theism leads to the same type of empire building and atrocities
that you associated with atheists.

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I only named only 3 atheist.
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Again, making pretty much Mark and

mine point: belief or non-belief in a deity has
no discernible influence on human behaviour.
 

This could very well be true, but I don't know that.
I pointed out several times on TO that I personally have no need for organized religion. And generally I try to stay from religion. But I've noted recently that many theist have a dogma concerning the origin of life.  That is, God a _living_being breathed the breath of life into man ??.....became a living soul. I've have on occasions pointed out that no one really knows how life began.
  There are several hypothesis, But from his experiment Louis Pasteur demonstrated that life comes only from pre-existing life. And His experiment have never been falsified. Life from non-life has never been observed or shown. I know there are hypothesis as to how life might have arisen some 3.8 - 4 billion years ago. But there's a $10kk bet that scientist are barking up the wrong tree.

 This Army conquered Spain, but

were stopped at the French border and driven half way back across Spain.   Muslim influences are remain strong in half of the Spain to the present.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_conquest_of_the_Iberian_Peninsula

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https://yaqeeninstitute.org/read/paper/did-islam-spread-by-the-sword-a-critical-look-at-forced-conversions >

 

And look at recent history
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_modern_conflicts_in_the_Middle_East

 In recent history, how  many majority Muslim countries were occupied by armies from
majority Christian countries, and how many majority Christian countries were
invaded by armies from countries with a Muslim majority, what do you think?
 

I do not justify that.