Re: Common genes do not imply cross-species (human/hominid) breeding

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Date : 04. Apr 2024, 03:54:32
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 There is a claim that, because some humans have a certain small number of genes in common with Neanderthals, that humans and Neanderthals must have interbred. That amounts to thinking that a Neanderthal male could/would rape a woman and, rather than cooking and eating her afterwards as usual, somehow or other keep her alive long enough to bear a cross-species child, raise that child to reproductive age, and have him/her breed back into human populations without anybody catching on, i.e. the claim is ridiculous.
 In real life:
 Neanderthal females would kill that woman the first time her new owner left her alone for ten minutes.
 The woman wouldn't fare any better than the subjects of the commie attempts to breed humans and apes into super workers in the 1930s.
 Humans would notice the child was different (really different...)
 And humans would kill that child and everybody else like him as part of the same program which killed out the Neanderthal. They would not need DNA tests to determine who to kill for that sort of reason, it would be exceedingly obvious.
 https://youtu.be/mZbmywzGAVs
 In other words, it would be a miracle for something like that to ever have happened once while the claims from Paabo et. al. require it to have been going on all the time. That is, for human/hominid cross-breeding to have left detectable traces in the DNA of modern humans, it would have to have been entirely common.
 One zero-probability event in the history of the universe? Maybe, but not an infinite series of them, i.e. not something that stands everything we know about probability on its head.
All of that rules out the narrative put out by Paabo and others.  The alternative I propose can not be ruled out so easily.
Here is what I think you have to picture. A cromagnon war party fights a pitched battle with some Neanderthal family group in the late afternoon or evening and, they greatly outnumber the hominids and have javelins and atlatls while the hominids are limited to thrusting spears so that the affair is one sided.  Afterwards, the humans are sitting around a fire licking any wounds, there are eight or ten neanderthals lying around dead, and one of them says something like:
"Man, this has been a hell of a day, I'm hungry enough to eat just about anything and I'm not about to go off hunting right now, what the hell could there be to eat around here??"
Think really hard, what do you suspect those guys are eating that night?
And, unless they were to somehow  manage to cook one of those hominids very thoroughly, bacterial gene insertion would be a real possibility.
Common genes from some very remote ancestor of both humans and hominids is not an option, since all humans would have the genes, and not just Europeans and Asians but not Africans as is the case.  Plainly, Neanderthals were never on he menu in Africa.
As for Danny Vendramini, you have to remember that Neanderthal dna is described as roughly halfway between ours and that of a chimpanzee, and a bit closer to that of the chimp.  You need to ask yourself what you think such a creature would look like....

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3 Apr 24 * Common genes do not imply cross-species (human/hominid) breeding17panther2020
3 Apr 24 +* Re: Common genes do not imply cross-species (human/hominid) breeding8Athel Cornish-Bowden
4 Apr 24 i+* Re: Common genes do not imply cross-species (human/hominid) breeding4RonO
4 Apr 24 ii`* Re: Common genes do not imply cross-species (human/hominid) breeding3Athel Cornish-Bowden
4 Apr 24 ii `* Re: Common genes do not imply cross-species (human/hominid) breeding2Ernest Major
5 Apr 24 ii  `- Re: Common genes do not imply cross-species (human/hominid) breeding1Athel Cornish-Bowden
4 Apr 24 i`* Re: Common genes do not imply cross-species (human/hominid) breeding3John Harshman
4 Apr 24 i `* Re: Common genes do not imply cross-species (human/hominid) breeding2*Hemidactylus*
5 Apr 24 i  `- Re: Common genes do not imply cross-species (human/hominid) breeding1John Harshman
3 Apr 24 +- Re: Common genes do not imply cross-species (human/hominid) breeding1*Hemidactylus*
3 Apr 24 +- Re: Common genes do not imply cross-species (human/hominid) breeding1Ernest Major
4 Apr 24 +* Re: Common genes do not imply cross-species (human/hominid) breeding4panther2020
4 Apr 24 i+* Re: Common genes do not imply cross-species (human/hominid) breeding2Ernest Major
4 Apr 24 ii`- Re: Common genes do not imply cross-species (human/hominid) breeding1Athel Cornish-Bowden
4 Apr 24 i`- Re: Common genes do not imply cross-species (human/hominid) breeding1*Hemidactylus*
5 Apr 24 `* Re: Common genes do not imply cross-species (human/hominid) breeding2Burkhard
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