Re: Evidence v Conclusions

Jim Jackson <jj@franjam.org.uk> writes:

On 2024-04-06, Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> wrote:

*Hemidactylus* <ecphoric@allspamis.invalid> writes:
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Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> wrote:

j.nobel.daggett@gmail.com (LDagget) writes:
 

Richmond wrote:
 

j.nobel.daggett@gmail.com (LDagget) writes:

 

That's quite false as there exist many different independent
lines of evidence for the existence of electrons beyond modeling
the flow of electricity.

 

Yes there are, but people often offer electricity, or worse
still, television, as evidence.

 

 
Are you even aware of who JJ Thomson is? If so, do you
understand

 

Oh it's you again. Are you even aware the standard model is a
model?

 
Cathode ray tubes don't produce models, they produce electron
beams.
 
The data interpretation doesn't require the standard model of
particle physics. Neither do slit experiments. What it looks like
is there's a lack of evidence that you understand either bit of
evidence. Or have ever seen that evidence? I'm guessing you never
looked. I guess as long as you play see no, hear no, speak no
games, your assertion will survive your personal belief system.

 
What are you talking about you gormless fuckwit?
 

And there we have it.

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The problem with this group is people argue with imaginary
people. You see at the end there he talks about my personal belief
system, and yet he has no idea what it is. I said that people
interpret electricity as evidence of electrons, and he says that is
false, but I know it is true, I have spoken to such people.
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He said more than that - and you know it.

I didn't say that that was *all* he said, and you know it. The rest of
what he said was irrelevent and aimed mainly at people who have never
been to school. Does everyone who believes in God believe it because of
earthquakes and eclipses? no, but some people do. Does the fact that
other people believe in God for other reasons mean that no one believes
it because of earthquakes and eclipses? no, that's a silly
assumption. Does everyone who believes in electrons believe in them
because of electricity? no, but some people do. Does the fact that some
people believe in them for other reasons mean that no one believes in
them because of electricity? no, that's a silly assumption.

None of this has anything to do with me. He's arguing with the voices in
his head.

"Cathode ray tubes don't produce models, they produce electron beams." -
Simple begging the question, how does he know they produce electron
beams and not beams of something else?

The slit experiments show that whatever is going through the slit
behaves like a wave as if it has gone through both slits, unless you
intercept it, and then it is like a particle. It doesn't prove anything
about what it is that is going through the slits, that's more begging
the question.

The electron is a theoretical particle, no one really knows if it exists
or what it is. The model makes accurate predictions, and you can believe
they exist on that basis if you like, but you don't know, and you don't
have any proof.