Re: West Virginia creationism

Martin Harran wrote:

On Sun, 14 Apr 2024 00:25:20 -0400, Ron Dean
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Martin Harran wrote:

On Fri, 12 Apr 2024 12:41:29 -0400, Ron Dean
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Beneficial mutations are rarely observed. The defective mutations are
overwhelming the beneficial mutations, as evidenced by the increasing
list of genetic disorders. Perhaps, this explains the 99% extinction
rate of all life forms that ever lived as observed or recorded in the
fossil record, as well as the numbers of the species become extinct

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That doesn't say much for the intelligence of your designer. How long
would a designer with that failure rate survive in your industry?
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Things change, new and better designs things just go downhill because of
the second law. There is in companies a deliberate "fail rate" so new
products to sell.

 Apparently planned obsolescence is yet another thing of which you have
a very poor grasp. To the extent that it exists [1], it is not a
process intended to make products go *extinct*, it is one that is
intended to encourage consumers to purchase the newest model of the
product with some apparent extra features.
 [1] ISTM, a lot less prevalent than is commonly thought. Somebody buys
a new laptop or phone and it seems really fast; two years later, it
seems to have slowed down considerably and the user blames this on a
deliberate policy of planned obsolescence by the manufacturer - they
don't take into account the amount of garbage they have collected on
the laptop or phone over the intervening two years.
  [2] I say "apparent" because some of these claimed features are little
more than marketing hype. Increasing the resolution on a phone camera
from 12mp to 50mp will make no difference whatsoever to the vast
majority of phone users except to make them have to invest in
additional storage.
 

With the DNA coded information due to mutations (which are real) become
increasingly less perfect when passed down to their offspring the
defective genes are always down to the offspring never reversed; with
the passage of time, the genome may  just become so overburden with
defective genetics - bad mutations that failure to reproduce becomes
inevitable. Maybe there is a loss of sexual drive, or instinct, all of
which is expressed by genetics. As a species age, perhaps like human
males species reach an age when sex desire dies and offsprings cannot
happen.

 Where does your intelligent designer fit into that process?
 

So, you agree - I fell out of my chair I was so shocked! If you go back in tine to one's grandparents their genome had fewer deleterious mutations than ours: going backwards generation after generation after generation, the genome of each preceding generation had ever fewer harmful mutations, By going back say to the earliest members of their kind (family) their genome must have been far closer to perfect than any decedent generations. From then, each succeeding generation the deleterious mutations multiplied. I think possibly the proofreading and repair, which was an elegantly and highly sophisticated design set up for the best results, but over the vast spans of time even the P&R mechanisms, which initially were perfect, but with the passage of time even the P&R became less perfect due to bad mutations that slipped passed the P&R mechanisms, consequent the P&R systems were affected. The results we see today.