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On Sat, 27 Apr 2024 16:50:12 -0700, Mark IsaakWe're on USENET. Who are we to judge wasting time?
<specimenNOSPAM@curioustaxon.omy.net> wrote:
On 4/26/24 4:27 PM, Bob Casanova wrote:Perhaps you should contact all those philosophers who spend so muchOn Fri, 26 Apr 2024 09:32:27 -0700, the following appeared>
in talk.origins, posted by Mark Isaak
<specimenNOSPAM@curioustaxon.omy.net>:
[...]>So, if I'm understanding that correctly, there is no
I get the feeling that predetermination means, to you, that if I am
predetermined to choose to buy this house (say), then no matter what I
think, or even if I don't think at all, I will end up deciding to buy
that house. I could move to Tibet, scramble my brain with acid, and
spend all my conscious time playing Candy Crush, and still, in a day or
two, the though will come to me, "I need to buy that house."
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That's not how predeterminism works. In a predetermined world, I find
myself in need or want of a house, contact a realtor who shows me
available listings; I visit those houses which are in good price range
and neighborhoods; probably I am influenced by external factors such as
the amount of traffic I had to fight through to get there or how hungry
I am at the time. The good and bad points of the different houses being
fed into my mind, I eliminate some obvious non-candidates, and let my
gut guide me to the best of the remaining.
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That is predetermination at work. Note that it appears, to all
observers, exactly the same as non-predetermination. That's why the Free
Will issue has never been resolved.
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difference between determinism and non-determinism (or if
you prefer, determination and non-determination), and
therefore "free will" is a bugaboo which is not accepted
although its implications are?
No detectable difference between the two.
time debating the difference and tell them they are wasting their
time.
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