Re: Making your mind up

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De : specimenNOSPAM (at) *nospam* curioustaxon.omy.net (Mark Isaak)
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Date : 29. Apr 2024, 17:16:13
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On 4/28/24 9:42 AM, Martin Harran wrote:
On Sat, 27 Apr 2024 16:50:12 -0700, Mark Isaak
<specimenNOSPAM@curioustaxon.omy.net> wrote:
 
On 4/26/24 4:27 PM, Bob Casanova wrote:
On Fri, 26 Apr 2024 09:32:27 -0700, the following appeared
in talk.origins, posted by Mark Isaak
<specimenNOSPAM@curioustaxon.omy.net>:
[...]
>
I get the feeling that predetermination means, to you, that if I am
predetermined to choose to buy this house (say), then no matter what I
think, or even if I don't think at all, I will end up deciding to buy
that house. I could move to Tibet, scramble my brain with acid, and
spend all my conscious time playing Candy Crush, and still, in a day or
two, the though will come to me, "I need to buy that house."
>
That's not how predeterminism works. In a predetermined world, I find
myself in need or want of a house, contact a realtor who shows me
available listings; I visit those houses which are in good price range
and neighborhoods; probably I am influenced by external factors such as
the amount of traffic I had to fight through to get there or how hungry
I am at the time. The good and bad points of the different houses being
fed into my mind, I eliminate some obvious non-candidates, and let my
gut guide me to the best of the remaining.
>
That is predetermination at work.  Note that it appears, to all
observers, exactly the same as non-predetermination. That's why the Free
Will issue has never been resolved.
>
So, if I'm understanding that correctly, there is no
difference between determinism and non-determinism (or if
you prefer, determination and non-determination), and
therefore "free will" is a bugaboo which is not accepted
although its implications are?
>
No detectable difference between the two.
 Perhaps you should contact all those philosophers who spend so much
time debating the difference and tell them they are wasting their
time.
We're on USENET. Who are we to judge wasting time?
--
Mark Isaak
"Wisdom begins when you discover the difference between 'That
doesn't make sense' and 'I don't understand.'" - Mary Doria Russell

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