Re: West Virginia creationism

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Sujet : Re: West Virginia creationism
De : {$to$} (at) *nospam* meden.demon.co.uk (Ernest Major)
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Date : 12. May 2024, 09:24:22
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On 11/05/2024 21:15, William Hyde wrote:
Chris Thompson wrote:
Ron Dean wrote:
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The Slave-holding South. Southerners bought slaves from the North. What about the Northern Slave Merchants and Manufacturers who built ships for the cargo for the slave trading North. This is rarely mentioned in history. And of course, history is written by the victors.
Not to mention the real cause of the US Civil War was tariffs imposed on the South. Lincoln had no objection to slavery. In fact slavery as a issue did not exist until 2 years after the start of the war. It was raised by Lincoln only after Great Brittan showed an interested in entering into the war on the side of the South. Slavery was then made a moral issue, which deterred Britten, which earlier had outlawed slave trading.
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Well we can add US history to the lengthy-but-ever-expanding list of topics about which you blather sans knowledge.
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The founders knew that slavery would eventually have to be abolished. But they also know that if they tried to do so immediately after gaining independence from Britain there would be no hope of forming a single nation. That didn't stop them from fighting about slavery (and viciously at times) in the Constitutional Convention of 1787- rather a fair bit of time before the 1858 point in time you assert (idiotically) people all of a sudden became concerned with slavery. And at that Convention a resolution was passed that the international slave trade would be banned in the US in 1800.
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You also apparently slept through the part in class when the Missouri Compromise was discussed. That was in 1820, and the result was Missouri coming into the US as a slave state and Maine as a free state.
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We probably should also mention the Compromise of 1850, brokered between Henry Clay and Stephen Douglas (do those names sound at all familiar?). This group of laws included, shamefully, the Fugitive Slave Act, which would do much to inflame tensions between north and south.
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But the two compromises also led pretty much directly to the Kansas-Nebraska Act (1854) which precipitated the disaster now called "Bleeding Kansas." Maybe you've heard of John Brown, and the Pottawatomie Massacre and the raid on Harper's Ferry? No? Not surprising if you think no one cared about slavery until two years before the Civil War.
  All of this, by the way, was covered in high school history class - in Canada.
 I wonder where Mr Dean went to school?
Posts like the above make me wonder whether Mr. Dean is trolling (and knows better), but he might have attended a Southern US segregation academy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Segregation_academy
 William Hyde
 
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