Re: West Virginia creationism

rOn Wed, 15 May 2024 20:49:08 -0400, Ron Dean
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Martin Harran wrote:

On Wed, 15 May 2024 09:10:27 -0400, Ron Dean
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Martin Harran wrote:

On Tue, 14 May 2024 20:35:56 -0400, Ron Dean
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Martin Harran wrote:

On Fri, 10 May 2024 16:40:15 -0400, Ron Dean
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Burkhard wrote:

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In fact, your opening gambit is directly expressed in the Bible: Judges
10:16 or Ecclesiastes 3:19: "For what happens to the children of man and
what happens to the beasts is the same; as one dies, so dies the other.
They all have the same breath"
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I question that. But this is Old Testament which Christians turn to for
back ground,  but the Old Covenant contained in the Old Testament was
like a contract which was fulfilled by Jesus Christ and set aside. The
new Convent contained in the New Testament is the one Christians are under.

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I'm still waiting for you to explain how you get from a God twiddling
with molecules and DNA to a God with whom we can have a personal
relationship; the type of God defined in both the Old and New
Testament; the same type of God defined by Stephen Meyer, one of the
most prominent proponents of ID, in his book 'Return of the God
Hypothesis'.
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Not my call!

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In other words, you can't. You appear to be in good company, none of
the leading proponents of ID seem able to explain it either.
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There are no ID proponent on TO, that I see just me.

 
I wasn't talking just about posters here, I was talking about people
like Phillip E. Johnson, co-founder of the Discovery Institute's
Center for Science and Culturen and known as 'the father of the
intelligent design movement' and Stephen C. Meyer who is one of the
most high profile advocates of ID and author of "Return of the God
Hypothesis: Three Scientific Discoveries That Reveal the Mind Behind
the Universe" his 3 "discoveries" almost exactly mirroring the
arguments that you make for ID - the origins of the Universe, DNA and
coding/intelligence, the Cambrian explosion and development of so many
novel life-forms.
 
https://www.discovery.org/a/the-significance-of-phillip-johnson/
 
https://www.discovery.org/p/meyer/
 
 

Due in insults,
castigation and character assassination, ID proponents are quick to
leave TO.

 
Nope, you are wrong yet again. There have been quite a few ID
proponents who were here for many years.
 

Were! That's the issue.

You said  they were "quick to leave", they weren't.

You said the reasons for them leaving were "insults, castigation and
character assassination", I can't recall a single one of them giving
any of those as reasons for leaving.

You really need to stop assuming that just because you imagine that
something might be true, that you can regard it as being true. That's
what you have just done here in regard to other ID proponents; you've
done it many times previously for example with Darwin in regard to him
wanting to overturn Paley and being anti-God because of his daughter's
death. It's that sort of behaviour - especially when repeated after
being shown to be false -  that irritates other people and causes some
of them to lash out at you.

This might be my last post for a while. I've
been scheduled for a hospital visit tomorrow 10:30. Heart problems. I'll
return as soon as I can.

Good luck with your appointment.

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In the mean time explain the origin  of the universe, the origin of the
first living cell and the origin of information in living organisms.
I'll be back, I hope!

 
 

Except me,  so far I've been able to overlook it.

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