Re: West Virginia Governor signed the vague creationist education bill

From: El Kabong <twang@the.noodle>
Newsgroups: talk.origins
Subject: Re: West Virginia Governor signed the vague creationist education
bill
Date: Sat, 18 May 2024 19:50:17 -0700
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Ron Dean wrote:

Mark Isaak wrote:

On 4/21/24 2:17 PM, Ron Dean wrote:

RonO wrote:

[...]
Do you deny that the West Virginia creationists are Biblical
creationists?  To the dishonest West Virginia creationist rubes,
there isn't enough of a difference between ID and Biblical
creationism to worry about.  If you do not understand that, you are
not competent enough to discuss the issue.

 >
This is so typical of the disinformation, misrepresentation and
deliberate lies regarding intelligent design which has been widely
published by antagonist from the beginning. This dishonesty, deceit ad
treachery was used at the Dover Trials even deceiving the judge. So
cock-sure are these antagonist that they go to the extent to create
false information which the attribute to advocates of intelligent
design. The are unrepentant liars and deliberate  deceivers, with no
conscience and no sense of moral right and wrong. And you sir are a
gdamn master of it all!

 
The Dean doth protest too much, methinks.
 
When the intelligent design proponents in the Dover trial as much as
say, "Look here! We're creationists", what do you expect the judge to
conclude?  And why would you conclude otherwise?
 

There is a difference. Creation is based upon the grounds that the
universe was created 6000 years ago in six (6) twenty four days by the
God of the Bible. Then God finally created man on the last day of the
6/th day period by taking a rib from Adam to create Eve. Intelligent
Design subscribes to none of this. Intelligent Design by contrast
observes highly complex entities in nature and sees this purposeful
design. The objective is to find supporting evidence of design. This is
about the limit of Intelligent Design. ID points to scientific evidence
which is claimed to indicate intentional design,

So what happened after the designer did its designing?  How was that design
implemented?  Is it not necessary for someone to create a living thing based
on the design?

All varieties of IDism aren't necessarily Biblical Creationism, but they all
propose some act of creation.  IDism is a form of creationism.  Ron, like it
or not, you are a creationist.

However, ID does not observe any evidence in nature which identifies the
designer. The people who
think the designer is God bases their belief strictly on faith not
evidence.