Re: West Virginia Governor signed the vague creationist education bill

On 5/18/24 5:12 PM, Ron Dean wrote:

Mark Isaak wrote:

On 4/21/24 2:17 PM, Ron Dean wrote:

RonO wrote:

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Do you deny that the West Virginia creationists are Biblical creationists?  To the dishonest West Virginia creationist rubes, there isn't enough of a difference between ID and Biblical creationism to worry about.  If you do not understand that, you are not competent enough to discuss the issue.

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This is so typical of the disinformation, misrepresentation and deliberate lies regarding intelligent design which has been widely published by antagonist from the beginning. This dishonesty, deceit ad treachery was used at the Dover Trials even deceiving the judge. So cock-sure are these antagonist that they go to the extent to create false information which the attribute to advocates of intelligent design. The are unrepentant liars and deliberate  deceivers, with no conscience and no sense of moral right and wrong. And you sir are a gdamn master of it all!

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The Dean doth protest too much, methinks.
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When the intelligent design proponents in the Dover trial as much as say, "Look here! We're creationists", what do you expect the judge to conclude?  And why would you conclude otherwise?
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There is a difference. Creation is based upon the grounds that the universe was created 6000 years ago in six (6) twenty four days by the God of the Bible. Then God finally created man on the last day of the 6/th day period by taking a rib from Adam to create Eve. Intelligent Design subscribes to none of this.

Wrong.  What you describe is creationism, but it is far from the only creationism.  Creationism can also claim that the universe was created 6000 years ago with the appearance of being 4.5 billion years old. Creationism can claim that millions or billions of years passed between the events described in Genesis 1:1 and Genesis 1:2.  Creationism can claim that each "day" in Genesis is an age of indeterminate length. Creationism can refer to Hindu or Norse or Greek sources, or to a culture's folklore. Creation can even hide that folklore in the background and merely say that a designer was somehow responsible.

Intelligent Design by contrast observes highly complex entities in nature and sees this purposeful design. The objective is to find supporting evidence of design. This is about the limit of Intelligent Design. ID points to scientific evidence which is claimed to indicate intentional design,
However, ID does not observe any evidence in nature which identifies the designer. The people who
think the designer is God bases their belief strictly on faith not evidence.

So they are creationists.
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Mark Isaak
"Wisdom begins when you discover the difference between 'That
doesn't make sense' and 'I don't understand.'" - Mary Doria Russell