Re: West Virginia Governor signed the vague creationist education bill

On Mon, 20 May 2024 12:35:00 -0400, Ron Dean
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jillery wrote:

On Sat, 18 May 2024 22:25:35 -0400, Ron Dean
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Martin Harran wrote:

On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 16:43:57 -0400, Ron Dean
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Mark Isaak wrote:

On 3/30/24 9:37 AM, Ron Dean wrote:

RonO wrote:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/03/22/west-virginia-intelligent-design-religion-teaching/367f8bba-e894-11ee-9eba-1558f848ec25_story.html
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The claim is that if a student asks a teacher about some alternative
"theory" the teacher can answer that question, but there is no
recommendation on what an honest and acceptable answer would be since
the "theory" that they want to get into the public schools isn't a
scientific theory, and should probably be labeled as to what it is in
any discussion on the topic.  If the legislators believe otherwise
they should have made that clear in the act, and they should have
been more honest as to what they were doing.

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Considering the Intelligent design argument does not identify a
designer? How should this question be answered? A student wanted to
know why Intellignet Design is wrong,

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The Intelligent Design hypothesis is not necessarily wrong. What
students need to know about it is, first, that it violates Occam's Razor
in that it posits superfluous and unnecessary entities;
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What entities does ID posit?
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second, that it requires multiple designers, some of which work at
cross-purposes and

some of which are inimical to humans;
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Where did you multiple designer? You provided no examples regarding
cross-postoing and inimical to humans.
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   and third, that past explanations

of natural phenomena in terms of the supernatural have a perfect record
of failure.
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Really the origin of life, itself could very well be the work of God.
The appearance of the complex unicellular animals of the Cambrian
explosion. And the abrupt appearance and of most species in the strata
could be explained as a act of God. And the origin of the universe
called the Big Bang everything from nothing. Only God could create
everything out or nothing. Of course, it comes down to anyone who denies
the existence of God, has no alternative, but to try finding natural
explanations for what is observed and known.

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It has been pointed out to you many times that accepting natural
causes is not incompatible with religious belief. I am a religious
believer and have no difficulty in accepting them. I have given you
numerous examples of scientists who are religious believers and not
alone have no problem accepting natural causes, they actually promote
them as explanations for how life including humans have evolved. It
seems from your lack of response that this is yet an area that you
prefer to ignore rather than disturb your comfort zone.
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I've been aware of these scientist. And I know about some of them: I
think Dr. Francis Collins, who was manager of the human genome project
is the most famous of these scientist. As a result of his research of
the DNA changed him from an atheist to a Christian, according to his
YouTube video. But he did not give up evolution, which I think is  a bit
curious. I think evolution should never be beyond questioning. They
remained evolutionist, I would like to know if they questioned the
theory  of evolution. . I could understand how you, as well as these
scientist, could conclude that a designer created evolution to achieve
its objectives. I could accept this, if I found a large pool of
empirical evidence supporting evolutionary change. But my problem is
that the evidence which supports the theory of evolution can also be
observed as supportive evidence of the ID paradigm. Another problem, no
one ever points to the holes, the shortcomings and the weaknesses of
evolution.
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Of course there are a few hundreds of "intellectuals" who question
Darwinism.
http://www.ideacenter.org/contentmgr/showdetails.php/id/1207

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I'm sure you are aware that. there are scientist who think we need an
new revision to the theory of evolution.
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2022/jun/28/do-we-need-a-new-theory-of-evolution

 
 
There you go again, citing the same old PRATTs.  The new theory of
evolution about which these scientists speak have nothing to do with
ID, and your cited article doesn't even mention ID.
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Did I claim that it did?

Since you asked, your first citation from Ideacenter, a Discotut
division, and your previous comments, logically create exactly that
claim.   Or you can admit that your cites are complete unrelated to
anything anybody previously wrote, and are just more of your mindless
noise.  Pick your poison.

But it indicated there's a problem with Neo Darwinism.

There are no scientific theories that don't have "problems".  Your
comment above is mindless and irrelevant.

But where did these natural
laws, mathematics, and natural processes come from - IOW what is the
origin of nature? For decades, I thought that agnosticism was the most
rational point of view to have, but I recently come much closer to think
there is evidence pointing to a strong possibility that there must be
some thing out there beyond our universe called God calling the shots.
But I don't pretend to know! But I think the evidence poijnting to God
is there, and no contrary evidence.

Your cites also have nothing to do with any evidence "pointing" to
God.  This is how you inject God into your posts, only to complain
when others respond to your comments about God. Try to focus on one
topic at a time, if only for the novelty of the experience.

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