Re: George Coyne and Richard Dawkins

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Sujet : Re: George Coyne and Richard Dawkins
De : john.harshman (at) *nospam* gmail.com (John Harshman)
Groupes : talk.origins
Date : 23. May 2024, 16:00:03
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On 5/23/24 1:38 AM, Martin Harran wrote:
On Wed, 22 May 2024 16:51:07 +0100, "Kerr-Mudd, John"
<admin@127.0.0.1> wrote:
 
On Wed, 22 May 2024 07:44:39 -0700
John Harshman <john.harshman@gmail.com> wrote:
>
[time for a snip]
He got himself into that pickle by saying God is not an intervening
engineer. The alternative is that every living thing has a soul.
>
There are other alternatives. For example, the soul could be an emergent
property of the body, particularly of the brain. If he gave us brains
(mentioned above), souls could have come along with that, and perhaps
even gradually. Maybe chimps have near-but-not-quite-souls.
>
>
How about: God emerges from sapient (or could I say superstitious?) beings?
 "Though sensitive soul in man and brute agree generically, yet they
differ specifically. As the animal, man, differs specifically from
other animals by being rational, so the sentient soul of a man differs
specifically from the sentient soul of a brute by being also
intelligent. The soul therefore of a brute has sentient attributes
only, and consequently neither its being nor its activity rises above
the order of the body: hence it must be generated with the generation
of the body, and perish with its destruction. But the sentient soul in
man, over and above its sentient nature, has intellectual power: hence
the very substance of this soul must be raised above the bodily order
both in being and in activity; and therefore it is neither generated
by the generation of the body, nor perishes by its destruction."
 Thomas Aquinas, Of God and His Creatures, chapter LXXXVIII, LXXXIX
To the extent that Aquinas can be understood here, he seems to be going back to the first option, that God is an intervening engineer, creating and installing a soul into each human.

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20 May 24 * George Coyne and Richard Dawkins40Richmond
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21 May 24 `* Re: George Coyne and Richard Dawkins35Martin Harran
21 May 24  `* Re: George Coyne and Richard Dawkins34Richmond
21 May 24   `* Re: George Coyne and Richard Dawkins33Martin Harran
21 May 24    `* Re: George Coyne and Richard Dawkins32Richmond
21 May 24     `* Re: George Coyne and Richard Dawkins31Martin Harran
21 May 24      +- Re: George Coyne and Richard Dawkins1*Hemidactylus*
22 May 24      `* Re: George Coyne and Richard Dawkins29Richmond
22 May 24       `* Re: George Coyne and Richard Dawkins28*Hemidactylus*
22 May 24        `* Re: George Coyne and Richard Dawkins27Richmond
22 May 24         +* Re: George Coyne and Richard Dawkins23John Harshman
22 May 24         i+* Re: George Coyne and Richard Dawkins11Kerr-Mudd, John
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22 May 24         iii`- Re: George Coyne and Richard Dawkins1Richmond
22 May 24         ii+* Re: George Coyne and Richard Dawkins2erik simpson
22 May 24         iii`- Re: George Coyne and Richard Dawkins1*Hemidactylus*
23 May 24         ii`* Re: George Coyne and Richard Dawkins5Martin Harran
23 May 24         ii `* Re: George Coyne and Richard Dawkins4John Harshman
23 May 24         ii  `* Re: George Coyne and Richard Dawkins3Martin Harran
23 May 24         ii   +- Re: George Coyne and Richard Dawkins1Richmond
24 May 24         ii   `- Re: George Coyne and Richard Dawkins1John Harshman
22 May 24         i+* Re: George Coyne and Richard Dawkins10Richmond
23 May 24         ii`* Re: George Coyne and Richard Dawkins9John Harshman
23 May 24         ii `* Re: George Coyne and Richard Dawkins8Richmond
23 May 24         ii  +- Re: George Coyne and Richard Dawkins1John Harshman
23 May 24         ii  +* Re: George Coyne and Richard Dawkins3erik simpson
23 May 24         ii  i`* Re: George Coyne and Richard Dawkins2Richmond
23 May 24         ii  i `- Re: George Coyne and Richard Dawkins1erik simpson
24 May 24         ii  `* Re: George Coyne and Richard Dawkins3*Hemidactylus*
24 May 24         ii   `* Re: George Coyne and Richard Dawkins2Richmond
24 May 24         ii    `- Re: George Coyne and Richard Dawkins1*Hemidactylus*
23 May 24         i`- Re: George Coyne and Richard Dawkins1Martin Harran
22 May 24         +- Re: George Coyne and Richard Dawkins1erik simpson
23 May 24         `* Re: George Coyne and Richard Dawkins2Martin Harran
24 May 24          `- Re: George Coyne and Richard Dawkins1*Hemidactylus*

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