Re: Teilhard de Chardin - new documentary

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Date : 30. May 2024, 11:06:51
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On Mon, 27 May 2024 19:07:03 +0000, *Hemidactylus*
<ecphoric@allspamis.invalid> wrote:

[Mercy snip]

>
Going back to the OP I just watched this today:
https://www.pbs.org/video/teilhard-visionary-scientist-pt9dc1/ 
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May not be available outside the US. Didn't delve much into a critical
assessment of Teilhard's views. Eugenics was of course absent from the
discussion.

Why would it be included when no substantive case has been offered?
The only "evidence" you have offered is an opinion post by John
Slattery who has no previous known qualifications or expertise to make
his views on Telhard of any significance.

In the article cited by Wikipedia, cited by you in turn,  Slattery
claims that "recent scholarly research" supports his conclusions yet
he does not cite even one other researcher who supports his views.
Indeed, he admits later in the article that "no scholars before this
essay have written at length on the depths of Teilhard's commitments
to eugenics, sterilization, and racial superiority". A rather peculiar
understanding of "scholarly research".

>
Haught talked at  ~15:54 of the medieval "Great Chain of Being" what Haught
refers to as a "ladder of levels" and a "static, vertical, hierarchical
understanding of the cosmos" and how it influenced Teilhard. H. James Brix
says Teilhard evolutionized this "Great Chain of Being".
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Still tilts or bends toward the telos of Christ the Omega. And is
hierachical and vertical with its thinking layer.
>
At around 19:59 Mary Tucker chimes in which the problematic assertion that
"Evolution not purposeless or random, but it is infused with spirit".
Really?
>
Teilhard got in hot water with Jesuits for his essay on original sin in
light of evolution.
>
It does highlight his work in China with Peking Man but also his continuing
troubles with Rome.

I've only had time to watch the first half of it which I thought was
pretty frank in discussing Telhard's early development of his ideas,
his internal struggles to reconcile his belief in "spirit" with
"matter" and his shock at the response of his Jesuit superiors. I hope
to watch the second half over the weekend.


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