Re: Teilhard de Chardin - new documentary

On Wed, 29 May 2024 17:39:08 +0000, *Hemidactylus*
<ecphoric@allspamis.invalid> wrote:

Martin Harran <martinharran@gmail.com> wrote:

[snip for focus]
 

Any religion with the concept of "dogma" built in will eventually bang
heads with science.

 
Really? The Catholic Church has loads of dogma; would you care to
identify where it bumps heads with science?
 

In the part you conveniently snipped there was a specific bumping of heads
I mentioned based on the very documentary in your OP:
“Teilhard got in hot water with Jesuits for his essay on original sin in
light of evolution.”
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This essay by David Grumett elaborates:
https://www.christiancentury.org/article/critical-essay/pierre-teilhard-de-chardins-theological-trouble
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“During the 1920s, Teilhard wrote an essay on how the doctrine of original
sin could be reconciled with the theory of evolution. The essay, meant for
private circulation, was passed on to church authorities in Rome, who saw
in the essay an alarming deviation from orthodoxy.”
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“In his paper, Teilhard argued that traditional teachings about the fall of
Adam and Eve into sin were difficult to reconcile with science for two
reasons. First, fossils suggested that the human species emerged out of
several different evolutionary branches, not from a single pair of
ancestors. Second, an earthly paradise from which death, suffering, and
evil were absent was scientifically inconceivable, given that the tendency
toward physical disintegration is a condition of existence.”
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And: “It was the fourth proposition that caused Teilhard great difficulty.
It read: “The whole human race takes its origin from one first parent,
Adam.” In a letter to his mentor, Teilhard wrote: “I am able to subscribe
to it in faith only with the implicit or explicit reserve that I regard the
proposition as subject to revisions (and, what is more, essential
revisions) of the kind to which belief in the eight days of creation, the
flood, etc., has been subjected; and I do not see how anyone could forbid
me this position.””
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So Teilhard himself was bumping heads with authority based on his
interpretation of science.
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And see:
https://www.commonwealmagazine.org/what-do-catholics-believe-about-adam-and-eve
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I tried sending a reply like this earlier but it hasn’t shown up.

So the best you can come up with is from 100 years ago with a priest
falling out with his superior over a *theological* argument; a priest
whose ideas have since been praised by 3 consecutive popes.

Sounds like your Teilhard itch is playing up again.