Re: Creationism, Intelligent Design and Vendanta

On 8/14/2024 5:08 AM, Burkhard wrote:

On Tue, 13 Aug 2024 0:57:13 +0000, Chris Thompson wrote:
 

Burkhard wrote:

On Tue, 6 Aug 2024 16:24:30 +0000, Kestrel Clayton wrote:
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On 06-Aug-24 09:46, RonO wrote:

I found an article on creationism, intelligent design and Vendanta. Even
though Kalkidas came out as a normal Biblical creationists there have
been Hindu sympathetic to Scientific Creationism and the ID creationist
scam on TO.
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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4802803/
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The author thinks that science is a search for truth.  I have never
considered science to be a search for truth.  It is just the best means
we have of developing a working understanding of nature.  This
understanding may not be the "truth" but it could be close, and allows
us to improve our understanding of nature and expand a functional
understanding of the reality that we exist in.
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I do not recall Kalk ever stating how intelligent design supported his
hindu beliefs, and vice versa, but he did quote the Vedas from time to
time.
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A section of the paper compares Vendata to the ID creationist scam.

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Huh. I missed Kalkidas coming out as a fundamentalist Christian
creationist. Did he have a conversion experience, or was he a Christian
all along and lying about it?

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neither, as far as I can tell. Though of course conversions, while
comparatively rare, do happen. But as far as I'm aware, he always was
and  still is a follower of Vaishnavism.
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He only ever objected to certain labels (with some good reasons I'd say)
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the use of the exonym Hinduism
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Either way, I'm not all that surprised. For a lot of folks, denialism
isn't about what is, but rather what ISN'T: Moon landing denialists will
gladly accommodate flat-Earthers, orbit-onlyists,
fake-landings-real-pictures, fake-pictures-real-landings, and even
"secret nazi base on the far side of the Moon" crackpots, as long as
they all agree that the official account is somehow bogus.

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Well, that's possibly closer the issue, as you, me and pretty much all
other contributors to TO on the science side are dead, we just
did not get the memo yet - the bioengineered Covid vaccine killed
us all, as planned by the oligarchs, for reasons unknown. Or so
Kalkidas
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Wasn't it Nando who was sure we'd all be dead by now? Was he an
alter-ego of Kalkidas?
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 not alter ego, and of course much worse, but somewhat disappointingly
in case of Kalkidas, he also predicted imminent doom. To
rephrase Chesterton's dictum (on victorian atheists), When a
person stops believing in science they don’t then believe
in nothing, they believe anything.
 

I think Eddie was a JW or was bounced from the group, and they had a dooms day theology.  Their profit or leader claimed to have calculated the end times.  At that time they were day for ages creationists that believed that each day was 7 thousand years long and that the final 7 thousand years was set to end in the 1970's, but it didn't happen, and the guy kept revising his calculations until he died, and his last predicted date came and went.  Apparently some JW believe that the world actually ended as predicted it just is not that noticeable.  The Scientific Creationists at the ICR initially accommodated their 50,000 year age of the earth (at one time the ICR was claiming that the earth had to be less than 50,000 years old, but currently they are claiming less than 20,000 after the defection of the JW) because the JW were one of the main supporters for scientific creationism in the 70's and 80's, but when Eddie put up their current creationist theology where each day can be any length of time, and they reinterpreted when the sun and moon were created.  I do not think that Eddie had been aware of how his theology had changed within the last few decades and pointing out how drastically his creationist beliefs had changed seemed to be something that Eddie couldn't deal with.  Eddie was impervious to any rational reasoning, but the fact that his biblical literalistic views had changed so drastically seemed to destroy his fervor to support the current creationist claims.  After that he wasn't as active as a poster.  Eddie quit posting, probably, within half a year after putting up his then current JW creationist alternative.  He seemed to have self destructed by finally understanding what he was supposed to believe.
Ron Okimoto