Re: When was the observer effect (physics) first observed?

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De : eastside.erik (at) *nospam* gmail.com (erik simpson)
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Date : 16. Aug 2024, 00:38:57
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On 8/15/24 10:42 AM, Martin Harran wrote:
It seems to have been first formally stated by Heisenberg in 1958 his
book "The Physicist's Conception of Nature" but I would have thought
that it would have been noted earlier than that.
 The reason I'm asking is that Teilhard de Chardin effectively
describes it in his foreword to 'The Phenomenon of Man' - "Object and
subject marry and mutually transform each other in the act of
knowledge; and from now on man willy-nilly finds his own image stamped
on all he looks at."
 Teilhard wrote that somewhere in the last 1920s/early 30s which more
or less coincides with the early days of QM. I'm wondering if Teilhard
was reflecting what those involved in QM were already talking about or
whether he arrived at this under his own steam.
 
I've heard it said that nearly every quantum mechanician has his own "interpretation" of what it means.  De Chardin was a bit early to have had that much influence.  Feynman suggested that nobody understands quantum mechanics but that Eistein may have been close with his "spooky action at a distance.  Newton, of course, had no precognition of quantum mechanics, but he too was bothered by the action at a distance idea.

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15 Aug 24 * When was the observer effect (physics) first observed?19Martin Harran
15 Aug 24 +- Re: When was the observer effect (physics) first observed?1JTEM
16 Aug 24 +* Re: When was the observer effect (physics) first observed?2erik simpson
16 Aug 24 i`- Re: When was the observer effect (physics) first observed?1J. J. Lodder
16 Aug 24 +* Re: When was the observer effect (physics) first observed?2*Hemidactylus*
16 Aug 24 i`- Re: When was the observer effect (physics) first observed?1Martin Harran
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22 Sep 24  i `* Re: When was the observer effect (physics) first observed?2J. J. Lodder
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23 Sep 24  `* Re: When was the observer effect (physics) first observed?5erik simpson
23 Sep 24   `* Re: When was the observer effect (physics) first observed?4Bob Casanova
23 Sep 24    `* Re: When was the observer effect (physics) first observed?3J. J. Lodder
23 Sep 24     +- Re: When was the observer effect (physics) first observed?1erik simpson
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