Sujet : It isn't too late to sign the Dissent from Darwin IDiocy
De : rokimoto557 (at) *nospam* gmail.com (RonO)
Groupes : talk.originsDate : 18. Aug 2024, 18:23:29
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https://dissentfromdarwin.org/I was trying to find anything that the Discovery Institute had been doing to support the ID creationist scam and it turns out that they still maintain an active page where they invite skeptics to sign their dissent from Darwinism statement. The statement "We are skeptical of claims for the ability of random mutation and natural selection to account for the complexity of life. Careful examination of the evidence for Darwinian theory should be encouraged." has been known to a dishonest ploy to pretend to have legitimate support for the ID scam from it's first publication at the turn of the century. To think that there would still be anyone dishonest, ignorant and or incompetent enough to sign it today seems to reflect how low the ID scam fell decades ago, and the type of creationists that are willing to support the scam today, and once supported it decades ago. Since Nyikos died, and Glenn stopped posting there aren't any TO regulars that support the ID scam currently, and the ID perps pretty much destroyed the ID scam on TO when they shot themselves in the head and put out their Top Six evidences for ID back in 2017. The Top Six and the ID perp's subsequent statement about what ID is supposed to be and how it should be defended killed Uncommon Dissent as well as ID on TO so who would sign this junk today?
Has there ever been an intellectually honest IDiot? Probably not since the Supreme Court had already said that any legitimate creation science could be taught in the public schools if any were ever produced, so there was never any legitimate reason for calling creationist beliefs anything else. None of the past or present ID perps at the Discovery Institute qualify. Probably the most intellectually honest IDiot that I have interacted with was Mike Gene (a pseudonym). He supported the ID scam and the other ID perps used to joke about how Mike Gene was in attendance at their conferences when no one with that name was in attendance. Mike Gene turned out to be more honest than most IDiots, but would probably never qualify as being intellectually honest. When the other ID perps figured out that they didn't have any ID science to teach in the public schools, and they decided to drop the Wedge strategy of teaching the junk in the public schools, and instead started to use ID as bait to feed the rubes their obfuscation and denial switch scam. Mike Gene claimed that he had given up on teaching the ID scam junk back in 1999. He made the claim in 2003 after there was no doubt that the bait and switch had gone down on the Ohio Rubes, and that ID was not going to be taught in the Ohio public schools. Even though the ID perps had been running the bait and switch on every single group of creationist rubes that had wanted to teach the ID science for over a year, at that time, there were still some IDiots on ARN that believed that ID would be taught in Ohio (the first example of the bait and switch) but when the model lesson plan was published and ID was not mentioned, and all the ID perp citations were removed from the final draft Mike made the admission. As sad as it may be Mike Gene continued to support the ID scam and did not admit that the ID science had never existed until he quit the ID scam in 2007. He was honest enough to admit how bogus the ID science was, but he could not give up on the science denial. Even after he claimed to stop supporting the ID scam he could not give up on the science denial. The last junk that I recall coming out of him was his front loading claims where a creator was needed to create the first lifeforms so that they had the genes that would allow them to evolve into all the lifeforms we see today.
Ron Okimoto