Re: origin of biological chirality?

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Sujet : Re: origin of biological chirality?
De : me (at) *nospam* yahoo.com (Athel Cornish-Bowden)
Groupes : talk.origins
Date : 19. Aug 2024, 10:11:23
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On 2024-08-19 07:13:30 +0000, Stewart Robert Hinsley said:

On 19/08/2024 04:11, Pro Plyd wrote:
RonO wrote:
On 8/18/2024 12:01 PM, Bob Casanova wrote:
On Sun, 18 Aug 2024 00:08:49 +0100, the following appeared
in talk.origins, posted by Ernest Major
 For chirality there is an equilibrium ratio between the mirror images. D sugars have been known to exist in solution at higher concentrations that L forms.  My guess is that L forms of amino acids are likely to exist at higher concentrations in solution, but it doesn't matter.  The chirality of life was set by the first enzymatic reactions used by life to get started.  The use of L amino acids would have been set by the first functional proteases that could produce peptide bonds or for the RNA world scenario it would have been L amino acids that were probably used to make the first nucleotides.  The active sites of the first replicated enzymes would have set the chirality, and that chirality would have been maintained due to subsequent enzymes would have to be compatible for the ones that came before.  Only one form fits into the active site of an enzyme that uses that amino acid or carbohydrate. Enzymes have evolved to convert one form into the other because they spontaneously change from D to L and if left to themselves you would get a mix at a certain ratio in solution.
Quite some time ago I came across (borrowed?) an old
scifi Star Trek novel called "Spock Must Die". There's
even a wiki page for it
 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spock_Must_Die!
 Anyways, that bad ol transporter makes a second
Spock. This second Spock was the chiral opposite
of the original Spock and was basically starving
because the food had the wrong chirality. Cool
stuff for 1970. Moral of the story is that the
chirality preference is universal!
 
 That is probably based on Arthur C. Clarke's 1950 short story "Technical Error" (originally published as "The Reversed Man"). (There is also, judging by descriptions, a more tongue in cheek 1987 story by Isaac Asimov - "Left to Right".)
Remember that Asimov was a biochemist (not a very significant one, but that's another matter), whereas these other authors were not.
 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technical_Error
--
Athel -- French and British, living in Marseilles for 37 years; mainly in England until 1987.

Date Sujet#  Auteur
18 Aug 24 * origin of biological chirality?23Ernest Major
18 Aug 24 `* Re: origin of biological chirality?22Bob Casanova
18 Aug 24  +* Re: origin of biological chirality?13RonO
18 Aug 24  i+* Re: origin of biological chirality?2Bob Casanova
19 Aug 24  ii`- Re: origin of biological chirality?1RonO
19 Aug 24  i+* Re: origin of biological chirality?7Pro Plyd
19 Aug 24  ii+* Re: origin of biological chirality?3Bob Casanova
19 Aug 24  iii+- Re: origin of biological chirality?1RonO
24 Aug 24  iii`- Re: origin of biological chirality?1Pro Plyd
19 Aug 24  ii+* Re: origin of biological chirality?2Stewart Robert Hinsley
19 Aug 24  iii`- Re: origin of biological chirality?1Athel Cornish-Bowden
19 Aug 24  ii`- Re: origin of biological chirality?1RonO
19 Aug 24  i`* Re: origin of biological chirality?3Athel Cornish-Bowden
19 Aug 24  i `* Re: origin of biological chirality?2RonO
19 Aug 24  i  `- Re: origin of biological chirality?1Athel Cornish-Bowden
22 Aug 24  `* Re: origin of biological chirality?8J. J. Lodder
22 Aug 24   +- Re: origin of biological chirality?1Bob Casanova
24 Aug 24   `* Neutrality of matter; matter/anti-matter Re: origin of biological chirality?6Pro Plyd
24 Aug 24    +* Re: Neutrality of matter; matter/anti-matter Re: origin of biological chirality?4Ernest Major
24 Aug 24    i`* Re: Neutrality of matter; matter/anti-matter Re: origin of biological chirality?3Bob Casanova
24 Aug 24    i `* Re: Neutrality of matter; matter/anti-matter Re: origin of biological chirality?2Ernest Major
25 Aug 24    i  `- Re: Neutrality of matter; matter/anti-matter Re: origin of biological chirality?1Bob Casanova
26 Aug 24    `- Re: Neutrality of matter; matter/anti-matter Re: origin of biological chirality?1J. J. Lodder

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