Re: Lee Spetner has passed away.

On 8/22/2024 2:47 PM, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:

On Thu, 22 Aug 2024 14:19:56 -0500
RonO <rokimoto557@gmail.com> wrote:
 

On 8/22/2024 10:27 AM, erik simpson wrote:

On 8/22/24 6:35 AM, RonO wrote:

https://evolutionnews.org/2024/08/lee-spetners-nonrandom-evolutionary-hypothesis/
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_Spetner
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He came to TO attention in the late 1990's when scientific creationism
was still the major topic on TO.  He was some type of MIT
engineer/physicist that conformed to the Salem hypothesis.  He probably
understood that scientific creationism was bogus, but he could not give
up on the denial.  Wiki claims that he believed in directed evolution,
but I just recall denial that biological evolution could not be
accounted for by natural mechanisms.  It sounds like his views were
probably similar to Denton's and Behe's before Denton started spouting
his Diestic beliefs around the turn of the century.  As I noted, his
last book in 2014 passed without much notice here on TO.
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 You're still fighting this old battle; but there doesn't seem to be anyone
here arguing /for/ 'scientific creationism' or ID.
 

There is no fighting old battles.  The ID perps shot themselves in the head back in 2017 and pretty much ended viable discussion about the ID scam on TO.  Most of the then posting IDiots quit supporting the ID scam back then.  ID was just kept stumbling along in zombie mode by Nyiko, Glenn and to a lesser extent Dean.  All that I am doing is updating TO on the current state of the ID scam, and what they consider to be news. There hasn't been any legitimate support for the ID scam on TO for well over half a decade, but the ID perps are still selling ID as bait for their current public school bait and switch Wedge strategy.  West Virginia just got their teach ID scam Act signed by their Governor, and they obviously do not know what they can teach about ID because the ID perps have told them not to teach any of the junk and go with the obfuscation and denial switch scam that the ID perps tell them has nothing to do with intelligent design.  So there isn't much to discuss except what the current state of the ID scam is, and historical junk that seems to be forgotten.
About all we have to discuss on the topic are historical reviews.  The ID perps have been the most effective deterrent for teaching creationism in the public schools since they started running the bait and switch on hapless rubes that believed them over 2 decades ago.  They fouled up in Dover and didn't follow up when they ran the bait and switch on the Dover rubes, and they seemed to have been asleep at the switch with West Virginia because it looks like they never replace the ID perp who's job it was to make sure that the bait and switch went down after she ran the previous scam on the Utah rubes back in 2017.  She left the Discovery Institute, and her position is no longer listed on their web site, at least it wasn't listed when I checked after the West Virginia stupidity broke into the news.
Ron Okimoto