Sujet : Kitzmiller: possible perjury and deceit
De : rokimoto557 (at) *nospam* gmail.com (RonO)
Groupes : talk.originsDate : 02. Sep 2024, 02:43:32
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitzmiller_v._Dover_Area_School_District#cite_note-Horizon-62For the Johnson Wiki thread I looked up the Kitzmiller wiki. The wiki entry indicates that Phillip Johnson's admissions about having no ID science worth teaching was known to the ID perps before Dover hit the fan. Johnson was only forced to admit that fact because he watched it made clear by the testimony of the ID advocates themselves.
The Kitzmiller Wiki has a "Potential perjury and deceit" section. This section isn't just about the judge recommending that the US Attorney's office investigate Buckingham and Bonsell for perjury, but they include Behe's testimony as possible perjury.
There is little doubt that Minnich and Behe both prevaricated about the issue in order to justify the teach ID scam. Minnich was among the group named to have made the decision to start running the bait and switch scam (that the ID perps have continued to run since that initial case of Ohio in 2002) in Wells' report on the Ohio bait and switch. In that report Wells claimed that a group of ID perps had gotten together before presenting their dog and pony show to the Ohio State Board of Education, and they had decided not to give the Ohio rubes any ID science to teach, but instead tell them to go with the obfuscation and denial switch scam. Two of the authors of the teach ID scam booklet that the ID perps would give out with their Wedge ID video were among the group named in the report (Meyer and DeWolf). The ID perps had teaching ID in the public schools as one of the 5 year goals in their Wedge document, but when it came time to give the rubes the supposed ID science they decided to start running a bait and switch scam. They kept selling ID as bait, but all any creationist rubes ever got was the obfuscation and denial switch scam that the ID perps would tell them had nothing to do with ID. The bait and switch had gone down in every example where legislation or a school board wanted to teach ID for over 2 years by the time Dover hit the fan. When the bait and switch started Mike Gene (Gene was a pseudonym, but he claimed to be a scientist that had attended the ID perp's conferences and was an avid ID scam supporter) claimed that he had given up on teaching the junk in the public schools back in 1999. The bait and switch had been confirmed to have gone down in 2003 when the Ohio rubes published their draft lesson plan that did not mention that ID had ever existed, and Gene just shrugged it off as something that he had expected to happen years before it did. Gene did not admit that the ID science had never existed until he publicly quit the ID scam in 2007. This just means that the IDiots understood that they didn't have the ID science to teach in the public schools. The ID perps still continue to claim to have the ID science to teach in the public schools, but no one ever gets any to teach. Even though the ID perps have been claiming to have the ID science that can be taught in the public schools before the Wedge document was leaked 25 years ago they have never put out a public school lesson plan that would demonstrate what they thought could be taught and how they proposed that it could be taught. The Wedge document only verified that getting ID taught was part of their plans to realize their religious political goals. ID became a bait and switch scam that creationists are running on themselves.
Over 2 years of the bait and switch going down with no creationist rubes ever getting the promised ID science to teach is a good indication that both Behe and Minnich understood that the ID science did not exist to teach. The Kitzmiller Wiki also quotes Nelson as admitting that there was no scientific theory of ID, and that the ID perps were just working on it. Wiki cites the 2004 Touchstone article, but I recall Nelson making similar claims when the bait and switch started to go down. After the bait and switch went down Meyer quit his teaching job and was MIA for a while. West had to step forward and try to explain why the bait and switch kept going down. I recall West's claim that ID was "not ready for prime time". That quote should be archived somewhere because it may have been published in some newspaper article about teaching ID in the public schools, after the bait and switch started to go down, but I can't remember the exact source. This was all before Dover.
The addition of Behe's testimony as part of the perjury section is likely valid. Behe knew that he was lying when he claimed that ID was a scientific theory, and he had to try to cover the lie by claiming, under cross examination, that he meant his personal definition of scientific theory. He couldn't name any other scientists that used his definition, but something similar had always been used by the scientific creationists and other ID perps whenever they tried to claim that biological evolution was "just a theory", and that the theory of intelligent design or scientific creationism was equivalent to biological evolution. They would lie about what a "scientific theory" was in order to claim equivalence. The creationist's false definition is pretty close to what Behe was claiming as his definition of a scientific theory.
Ron Okimoto
Wells' Ohio report:
https://web.archive.org/web/20110814145400/
http://www.creationists.org/archived-obsolete-pages/2002-03-11-OSBE-wells.html The teach ID scam guidebook is still available on ARN:
http://arn.org/docs/dewolf/guidebook.htmThe ID perps have updated their Educator's Briefing Packet about every 3 years since producing it after Dover. It claims that the Dover decision was wrong, and that it is still legal to teach ID in places other than Dover, but this document has only been used as bait:
https://www.discovery.org/f/1453/