Re: What will the response from the ID perps be?

On 11/17/2024 9:43 AM, Kestrel Clayton wrote:

On 16-Nov-24 18:36, RonO wrote:

https://phys.org/news/2024-11-genes-ancient-animal-mouse-reveals.html
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These researchers have used the SOX gene from dynoflagellates to reprogram mouse cells into stem cells.
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It means that some of the genes in dynoflagellates were designed so that they could produce mutlticellular animals, and function in those multicellular animals.  The functional SOX gene existed before it was needed to evolve multicellular animals, and works just fine for doing what it does in dynoflagellates.

 The cdesign proponentsists will have the same response as always: "God, uh I mean the Intelligent Designer about whose nature we have absolutely no assumptions honest, COULD have done it that way."
 

When Mike Gene (a pseudonym of an early IDiot that attended the ID perp's first conferences, but may have never been a fellow of the ID scam unit) quit the ID scam and admitted that the ID science had never existed.  He was also the IDiot that admitted that he had given up on teaching the ID science in the public schools in 1999 after the bait and switch started to go down in 2002.  So he pretty much knew ID was just a scam for a very long time.  Mike Gene didn't give up on trying to support his Biblical beliefs.  He admitted that there was no ID science, and that he couldn't think of how to do any, but he started supporting front loading.  He became a theistic evolutionist like Behe and Denton, but he wanted to be a sort of tweeker like Behe instead of a deist like Denton.  Gene started to claim that the designer had front loaded many genes into the first lifeforms that allowed the evolution of life on earth.
In humans most of our genes evolved from preexisting genes.  We depend on large gene families.  The SOX gene is one of the high mobility group (HMG) proteins that bind to DNA and are involved in gene regulation.  So SOX evolved from an HMG protein.  Dynoflagellates have one SOX gene, some invertebrates have 2 SOX genes, and mammals have half a dozen SOX genes.  So SOX might support Mike Gene's claims.
The main problem with Gene's front loading claim is how would these front loaded genes retain their function for billions of years so that they could be used to evolve us.  The SOX gene has evolved to accomplish very different things, but it has preserved it's basic function, and it has been that function that was coopted to do the things needed to be done to create multicellular animals.
SOX has the HMG part of the protein, but evolved two distinct flanking sequences that separates it from other HMG proteins.  There are highly conserved sequences in these flanking regions that allow us to identify members of the SOX gene family (The gene may have existed for over a billion years).  My guess is that Mike Gene would claim that it was these highly conserved flanking sequences that needed to be front loaded into the first SOX gene by his designer.  They have obviously been conserved because of their function, and all members of the family retain those functions even though those functions result in different outcomes in the evolution of life on earth.
Ron Okimoto