Re: politics

On 18-Nov-24 11:41, RonO wrote:

On 11/18/2024 9:48 AM, erik simpson wrote:

On 11/18/24 1:21 AM, J. J. Lodder wrote:

erik simpson <eastside.erik@gmail.com> wrote:
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I'd like to propose a moratorium on political posts, as they are
off-topic.  I see general agreement on the unsatisfactory state of
affairs here in the US, but for now there's little anybody can do about it.

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Unsatisfactory politics may have scientific consequences,
as seen before WWII.
It looks like the USA is getting ready to give back
some of 'Hitler's present'.
>
European universities will no doubt be willing to accomodate
outstanding scientific refugies.
The fact that some of their lecturing is in English these days
will make it easier,
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Jan
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As you see, we are pretty messed up, but then the whole world is pretty messed up.  There are encouraging signs here and there, so let's hope for the best.
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 Encouraging signs?  Nazis marched in Ohio, the Klan and Nazis think that they have their man in the White House.  Trump has just confirmed that he plans to declare a national emergency that would allow the military to assist in his mass deportations.

... of course, Team Trump was promising right up until election night that they would NOT involve the military in the promised mass deportations.
I am shocked, SHOCKED, to discover they might have lied to us. But surely they're not lying about anything ELSE in their proposed ethnic cleansing program!
 > There are an estimated 11 million undocumented immigrants in the US.
Some of the promises for deportation promised numbers as high as 20 million. If there are 11 million undocumented immigrants but the Trump administration wants to deport 20 million, the obvious implication is a lot of lawful residents and even citizens will be deported as well. Couple that with the promise to remove birthright citizenship, and it's clear the Trump administration's goal is simply getting brown and Black people out of the country, including those whose ancestors have lived here for centuries.
A lot of right-leaning born-here non-white folks are feeling pretty smug right now, confident that they're "one of the good ones." They're in for a rude awakening when they find the fascists don't think there ARE any "good ones."
 > As crazy as it may seem Trump seems > to be planning Nationwide concentration camps to collect these people

for deportation.

Oh, and of course the promised concentration camps are too small for the function, by at least an order of magnitude. Looks like the fascists are also hoping disease and malnutrition will help them with their purge of the untermenschen.
 > The claim is that 56% of those polled support > deportation.  My guess is that a lot of them do not understand that they

are supporting.  It sounds like bad fiction, but that is what our nation has come to.  Trump seems to have allowed people to express their darker side.  It isn't the side that made this country great.

Indeed it has not. But unfortunately, the US has had an authoritarian streak since its inception. I remain hopeful we can fix ourselves... someday.
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