Re: Ool - out at first base?

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Sujet : Re: Ool - out at first base?
De : martinharran (at) *nospam* gmail.com (Martin Harran)
Groupes : talk.origins
Date : 18. Dec 2024, 15:52:22
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I didn't want to include this in my main response as it's a secondary
issue, a personal viewpoint which could be diversionary from the main
arguments here.

Unlike those arguing from a purely scientific perspective, I believe
there is an underlying teleological element to OOL and evolution.
Unlike you, however, I don't think it involves God fiddling with
things like the precursors to your first protocell; I believe it is a
force that encourages natural processes to bring life into existence
and evolve it to the level of human awareness that we have now (a big
nod to Teilhard de Chardin).

I like to think of think of the teleological drive as an external
force acting in a similar way to gravity acting on a river, causing it
to ever flow downwards towards the sea. Gravity does not determine the
specific course of the river, the water simply responds to the terrain
that it meets I think it is the same with biological life which may
appear to evolve in a random way but it's not just random; it is life
driven in a general direction and just responding to the environment
it meets on the way, no need for a designer planning or directing its
course.
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9 Dec 24 i `* Re: OoL – out at first base?16erik simpson
10 Dec 24 i  +* Re: OoL – out at first base?3MarkE
10 Dec 24 i  i+- Re: OoL – out at first base?1erik simpson
10 Dec 24 i  i`- Re: OoL – out at first base?1jillery
11 Dec 24 i  +* Re: OoL – out at first base?2MarkE
11 Dec 24 i  i`- Re: OoL – out at first base?1erik simpson
11 Dec 24 i  `* Re: OoL - out at first base?10Martin Harran
11 Dec 24 i   +* Re: OoL - out at first base?7erik simpson
11 Dec 24 i   i`* Re: OoL - out at first base?6Martin Harran
11 Dec 24 i   i +- Re: OoL - out at first base?1erik simpson
11 Dec 24 i   i `* Re: OoL - out at first base?4LDagget
12 Dec 24 i   i  `* Re: OoL - out at first base?3Martin Harran
12 Dec 24 i   i   `* Re: OoL - out at first base?2LDagget
12 Dec 24 i   i    `- Re: OoL - out at first base?1DB Cates
11 Dec 24 i   `* Re: OoL - out at first base?2Ernest Major
11 Dec 24 i    `- Re: OoL - out at first base?1LDagget
9 Dec 24 +* Re: OoL – out at first base?9jillery
9 Dec 24 i+* Re: OoL – out at first base?6MarkE
9 Dec 24 ii+* Re: OoL ? out at first base?2aph
9 Dec 24 iii`- Re: OoL ? out at first base?1MarkE
9 Dec 24 ii`* Re: OoL – out at first base?3jillery
11 Dec 24 ii `* Re: OoL – out at first base?2MarkE
11 Dec 24 ii  `- Re: OoL – out at first base?1MarkE
16 Dec 24 i`* Re: OoL – out at first base?2Mark Isaak
16 Dec 24 i `- Re: OoL – out at first base?1Kerr-Mudd, John
9 Dec 24 +* Re: OoL – out at first base?7RonO
9 Dec 24 i`* Re: OoL – out at first base?6MarkE
10 Dec 24 i +- Re: OoL – out at first base?1RonO
10 Dec 24 i `* Re: OoL – out at first base?4erik simpson
11 Dec 24 i  `* Re: OoL - out at first base?3Martin Harran
11 Dec 24 i   `* Re: OoL - out at first base?2erik simpson
18 Dec 24 i    `- Re: OoL - out at first base?1jillery
10 Dec 24 +* Re: Ool - out at first base?90Bob Casanova
11 Dec 24 i`* Re: Ool - out at first base?89MarkE
13 Dec 24 i +* Re: Ool - out at first base?80Ernest Major
13 Dec 24 i i`* Re: Ool - out at first base?79erik simpson
14 Dec 24 i i `* Re: Ool - out at first base?78MarkE
14 Dec 24 i i  +* Re: Ool - out at first base?2erik simpson
14 Dec 24 i i  i`- Re: Ool - out at first base?1MarkE
14 Dec 24 i i  `* Re: Ool - out at first base?75Martin Harran
14 Dec 24 i i   `* Re: Ool - out at first base?74MarkE
14 Dec 24 i i    +* Re: Ool - out at first base?72Martin Harran
14 Dec 24 i i    i`* Re: Ool - out at first base?71MarkE
14 Dec 24 i i    i +* Re: Ool - out at first base?62Martin Harran
15 Dec 24 i i    i i`* Re: Ool - out at first base?61MarkE
15 Dec 24 i i    i i +* Re: Ool - out at first base?58Martin Harran
15 Dec 24 i i    i i i+- Re: Ool - out at first base?1Martin Harran
15 Dec 24 i i    i i i`* Re: Ool - out at first base?56MarkE
15 Dec 24 i i    i i i `* Re: Ool - out at first base?55Martin Harran
16 Dec 24 i i    i i i  `* Re: Ool - out at first base?54MarkE
16 Dec 24 i i    i i i   +* Re: Ool - out at first base?6Mark Isaak
18 Dec 24 i i    i i i   i`* Re: Ool - out at first base?5MarkE
18 Dec 24 i i    i i i   i `* Re: Ool - out at first base?4Mark Isaak
18 Dec 24 i i    i i i   i  +- Re: Ool - out at first base?1Martin Harran
19 Dec 24 i i    i i i   i  `* Re: Ool - out at first base?2MarkE
19 Dec 24 i i    i i i   i   `- Re: Ool - out at first base?1Mark Isaak
17 Dec 24 i i    i i i   `* Re: Ool - out at first base?47Martin Harran
17 Dec 24 i i    i i i    +* Re: Ool - out at first base?2erik simpson
17 Dec 24 i i    i i i    i`- Re: Ool - out at first base?1Martin Harran
18 Dec 24 i i    i i i    `* Re: Ool - out at first base?44MarkE
18 Dec 24 i i    i i i     `* Re: Ool - out at first base?43Martin Harran
18 Dec 24 i i    i i i      +- Re: Ool - out at first base?1Martin Harran
18 Dec 24 i i    i i i      +* Re: Ool - out at first base?2Ernest Major
19 Dec 24 i i    i i i      i`- Re: Ool - out at first base?1jillery
19 Dec 24 i i    i i i      `* Re: Ool - out at first base?39MarkE
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19 Dec 24 i i    i i i       ii`* Re: Ool - out at first base?10Vincent Maycock
19 Dec 24 i i    i i i       ii `* Re: Ool - out at first base?9MarkE
20 Dec 24 i i    i i i       ii  `* Re: Ool - out at first base?8Vincent Maycock
20 Dec 24 i i    i i i       ii   `* Re: Ool - out at first base?7MarkE
20 Dec 24 i i    i i i       ii    `* Re: Ool - out at first base?6Vincent Maycock
20 Dec 24 i i    i i i       ii     `* Re: Ool - out at first base?5MarkE
20 Dec 24 i i    i i i       ii      +* Re: Ool - out at first base?2Vincent Maycock
20 Dec 24 i i    i i i       ii      i`- Re: Ool - out at first base?1MarkE
21 Dec 24 i i    i i i       ii      +- Re: Ool - out at first base?1jillery
22 Dec 24 i i    i i i       ii      `- Re: Ool - out at first base?1Mark Isaak
19 Dec 24 i i    i i i       i`* Re: Ool - out at first base?3erik simpson
19 Dec 24 i i    i i i       i `* Re: Ool - out at first base?2Vincent Maycock
19 Dec 24 i i    i i i       i  `- Re: Ool - out at first base?1erik simpson
19 Dec 24 i i    i i i       +- Re: Ool - out at first base?1jillery
19 Dec 24 i i    i i i       +* Re: Ool - out at first base?21Martin Harran
19 Dec 24 i i    i i i       i+- Re: Ool - out at first base?1Martin Harran
19 Dec 24 i i    i i i       i`* Re: Ool - out at first base?19MarkE
19 Dec 24 i i    i i i       i +- Re: Ool - out at first base?1erik simpson
20 Dec 24 i i    i i i       i `* Re: Ool - out at first base?17Martin Harran
20 Dec 24 i i    i i i       i  +* Re: Ool - out at first base?2erik simpson
21 Dec 24 i i    i i i       i  i`- Re: Ool - out at first base?1MarkE
20 Dec 24 i i    i i i       i  `* Re: Ool - out at first base?14MarkE
21 Dec 24 i i    i i i       i   `* Re: Ool - out at first base?13Martin Harran
22 Dec 24 i i    i i i       i    `* Re: Ool - out at first base?12Martin Harran
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23 Dec 24 i i    i i i       i     i`* Re: Ool - out at first base?4Martin Harran
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23 Dec 24 i i    i i i       i     i `* Re: Ool - out at first base?2William Hyde
23 Dec 24 i i    i i i       i     i  `- Re: Ool - out at first base?1erik simpson
22 Dec 24 i i    i i i       i     +- Re: Ool - out at first base?1jillery
23 Dec 24 i i    i i i       i     +* Re: Ool - out at first base?3erik simpson
24 Dec 24 i i    i i i       i     `* Re: Ool - out at first base?2MarkE
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