Re: Ool - out at first base?

On Thu, 19 Dec 2024 14:10:27 +1100, MarkE <me22over7@gmail.com> wrote:

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God is eternally preexisting, nonmaterial, above and beyond time,
matter, energy, but creating and controlling these.
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God conceived of all created things before they came into being.
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God spoke and there was...spacetime, matter, energy.
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God created the initial low entropy state of the universe.
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God designed physics, the periodic table, etc, as building blocks
capable of being fashioned into all created things.
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God designed all living things and spoke them into being, either
directly, or indirectly through innate capacity for change and adaptation.
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Etc.
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#5
In regard to making your case to religious believers, you need to
offer some explanation of how you get from God fiddling about with
protocells to us having a relationship with him and him sending his
son to us.

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Nature provides general revelation: "For since the creation of the world
God’s invisible qualities – his eternal power and divine nature – have
been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that
people are without excuse." (Romans 1:20)
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The Bible provides special revelation: of us having a relationship with
him and him sending his son to us.

Assuming true all that you post above, you still don't identify *what*
you think nature reveals about God, and/or *how* you think nature
reveals them.

For instance:
What are God's eternal powers?
What is God's divine nature?
What is this "special revelation"?
What is God's "special relationship" with us?

History shows that people have claimed that nature identifies numerous
and sometimes conflicting attributes about God.  For example, it has
been said that nature shows God is inordinately fond of beetles, and
that nature shows the universe is almost completely hostile to life as
we know it.  These things suggest God's relationship to us isn't all
that special after all.

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