Re: Ool - out at first base?

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Sujet : Re: Ool - out at first base?
De : martinharran (at) *nospam* gmail.com (Martin Harran)
Groupes : talk.origins
Date : 23. Dec 2024, 07:49:59
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On Sun, 22 Dec 2024 16:07:20 -0500, William Hyde
<wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote:

Martin Harran wrote:
I don't know if you are still reading this but in case you are, I
thought of you today when I read this in a religious newsletter that I
subscribe to:
 
"Only the silliest of scientists would think they could find God in
the world or prove that God does not exist. Existence is a property of
things within the world. Pose the matter in those terms, and you might
as well admit, God does not exist.
>
>
Very sensible.  My non-belief is not founded in any scientific
discovery, evolutionary or otherwise.  It arose before I had more than
the foggiest idea of evolution, and long before I studied cosmology. And
of course I know Christians who are better informed on evolution or
cosmology than I ever was or will be.
>
Mind you, if after thousands of years of investigation we had no idea
how anything worked, if the "gaps" were vast and unshrinking, I might
reconsider.
>
I can't recall the last time any scientist used his discipline to argue
against the existence of gods. 

Richard Dawkins, Jerry Coyne, Sam Harris ....

Not that I think any of them had any lasting impact; I got the
impression they were really just preaching to their own choir with few
new converts.


But I still see arguments that the
nature of reality conflicts with the claimed nature of one or more gods.

It sems to me that most of that comes from the religious side, not the
science side. People like MarkE who just can't get their head around
science being the *how* and religion being the *why*.

>
On the other side Tertullian commented that if Marcion had contemplated
the beauty of a flower he'd have abandoned his whole theology.  Marcion
no longer being alive at this point, he couldn't reply with the
countless rebuttals available to him so we don't know how Tertullian
reconciled birth defects with his god of flowers.
>
One can waste infinite time on either side of this discussion.
>
William Hyde
>


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9 Dec 24 * OoL – out at first base?117MarkE
9 Dec 24 +* Re: OoL – out at first base?18erik simpson
9 Dec 24 i`* Re: OoL – out at first base?17MarkE
9 Dec 24 i `* Re: OoL – out at first base?16erik simpson
10 Dec 24 i  +* Re: OoL – out at first base?3MarkE
10 Dec 24 i  i+- Re: OoL – out at first base?1erik simpson
10 Dec 24 i  i`- Re: OoL – out at first base?1jillery
11 Dec 24 i  +* Re: OoL – out at first base?2MarkE
11 Dec 24 i  i`- Re: OoL – out at first base?1erik simpson
11 Dec 24 i  `* Re: OoL - out at first base?10Martin Harran
11 Dec 24 i   +* Re: OoL - out at first base?7erik simpson
11 Dec 24 i   i`* Re: OoL - out at first base?6Martin Harran
11 Dec 24 i   i +- Re: OoL - out at first base?1erik simpson
11 Dec 24 i   i `* Re: OoL - out at first base?4LDagget
12 Dec 24 i   i  `* Re: OoL - out at first base?3Martin Harran
12 Dec 24 i   i   `* Re: OoL - out at first base?2LDagget
12 Dec 24 i   i    `- Re: OoL - out at first base?1DB Cates
11 Dec 24 i   `* Re: OoL - out at first base?2Ernest Major
11 Dec 24 i    `- Re: OoL - out at first base?1LDagget
9 Dec 24 +* Re: OoL – out at first base?9jillery
9 Dec 24 i+* Re: OoL – out at first base?6MarkE
9 Dec 24 ii+* Re: OoL ? out at first base?2aph
9 Dec 24 iii`- Re: OoL ? out at first base?1MarkE
9 Dec 24 ii`* Re: OoL – out at first base?3jillery
11 Dec 24 ii `* Re: OoL – out at first base?2MarkE
11 Dec 24 ii  `- Re: OoL – out at first base?1MarkE
16 Dec19:38 i`* Re: OoL – out at first base?2Mark Isaak
16 Dec21:23 i `- Re: OoL – out at first base?1Kerr-Mudd, John
9 Dec 24 +* Re: OoL – out at first base?7RonO
9 Dec 24 i`* Re: OoL – out at first base?6MarkE
10 Dec 24 i +- Re: OoL – out at first base?1RonO
10 Dec 24 i `* Re: OoL – out at first base?4erik simpson
11 Dec 24 i  `* Re: OoL - out at first base?3Martin Harran
11 Dec 24 i   `* Re: OoL - out at first base?2erik simpson
18 Dec12:36 i    `- Re: OoL - out at first base?1jillery
10 Dec 24 +* Re: Ool - out at first base?80Bob Casanova
11 Dec 24 i`* Re: Ool - out at first base?79MarkE
13 Dec 24 i +* Re: Ool - out at first base?70Ernest Major
13 Dec 24 i i`* Re: Ool - out at first base?69erik simpson
14 Dec 24 i i `* Re: Ool - out at first base?68MarkE
14 Dec 24 i i  +* Re: Ool - out at first base?2erik simpson
14 Dec 24 i i  i`- Re: Ool - out at first base?1MarkE
14 Dec 24 i i  `* Re: Ool - out at first base?65Martin Harran
14 Dec 24 i i   `* Re: Ool - out at first base?64MarkE
14 Dec 24 i i    +* Re: Ool - out at first base?62Martin Harran
14 Dec 24 i i    i`* Re: Ool - out at first base?61MarkE
14 Dec 24 i i    i +* Re: Ool - out at first base?52Martin Harran
15 Dec 24 i i    i i`* Re: Ool - out at first base?51MarkE
15 Dec 24 i i    i i `* Re: Ool - out at first base?50Martin Harran
15 Dec 24 i i    i i  +- Re: Ool - out at first base?1Martin Harran
15 Dec 24 i i    i i  `* Re: Ool - out at first base?48MarkE
15 Dec 24 i i    i i   `* Re: Ool - out at first base?47Martin Harran
16 Dec 24 i i    i i    `* Re: Ool - out at first base?46MarkE
16 Dec20:33 i i    i i     +* Re: Ool - out at first base?6Mark Isaak
18 Dec02:12 i i    i i     i`* Re: Ool - out at first base?5MarkE
18 Dec17:16 i i    i i     i `* Re: Ool - out at first base?4Mark Isaak
18 Dec17:49 i i    i i     i  +- Re: Ool - out at first base?1Martin Harran
19 Dec05:49 i i    i i     i  `* Re: Ool - out at first base?2MarkE
19 Dec17:35 i i    i i     i   `- Re: Ool - out at first base?1Mark Isaak
17 Dec14:07 i i    i i     `* Re: Ool - out at first base?39Martin Harran
17 Dec17:19 i i    i i      +* Re: Ool - out at first base?2erik simpson
17 Dec18:48 i i    i i      i`- Re: Ool - out at first base?1Martin Harran
18 Dec01:32 i i    i i      `* Re: Ool - out at first base?36MarkE
18 Dec15:17 i i    i i       `* Re: Ool - out at first base?35Martin Harran
18 Dec15:52 i i    i i        +- Re: Ool - out at first base?1Martin Harran
18 Dec18:17 i i    i i        +* Re: Ool - out at first base?2Ernest Major
19 Dec10:38 i i    i i        i`- Re: Ool - out at first base?1jillery
19 Dec04:10 i i    i i        `* Re: Ool - out at first base?31MarkE
19 Dec07:17 i i    i i         +* Re: Ool - out at first base?15Vincent Maycock
19 Dec07:33 i i    i i         i+* Re: Ool - out at first base?11MarkE
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19 Dec23:25 i i    i i         ii `* Re: Ool - out at first base?9MarkE
20 Dec00:32 i i    i i         ii  `* Re: Ool - out at first base?8Vincent Maycock
20 Dec02:42 i i    i i         ii   `* Re: Ool - out at first base?7MarkE
20 Dec03:23 i i    i i         ii    `* Re: Ool - out at first base?6Vincent Maycock
20 Dec05:08 i i    i i         ii     `* Re: Ool - out at first base?5MarkE
20 Dec06:10 i i    i i         ii      +* Re: Ool - out at first base?2Vincent Maycock
20 Dec23:45 i i    i i         ii      i`- Re: Ool - out at first base?1MarkE
21 Dec12:42 i i    i i         ii      +- Re: Ool - out at first base?1jillery
22 Dec21:46 i i    i i         ii      `- Re: Ool - out at first base?1Mark Isaak
19 Dec17:05 i i    i i         i`* Re: Ool - out at first base?3erik simpson
19 Dec19:53 i i    i i         i `* Re: Ool - out at first base?2Vincent Maycock
19 Dec23:08 i i    i i         i  `- Re: Ool - out at first base?1erik simpson
19 Dec11:04 i i    i i         +- Re: Ool - out at first base?1jillery
19 Dec15:56 i i    i i         +* Re: Ool - out at first base?13Martin Harran
19 Dec18:15 i i    i i         i+- Re: Ool - out at first base?1Martin Harran
19 Dec23:20 i i    i i         i`* Re: Ool - out at first base?11MarkE
19 Dec23:31 i i    i i         i +- Re: Ool - out at first base?1erik simpson
20 Dec18:24 i i    i i         i `* Re: Ool - out at first base?9Martin Harran
20 Dec18:44 i i    i i         i  +* Re: Ool - out at first base?2erik simpson
21 Dec00:02 i i    i i         i  i`- Re: Ool - out at first base?1MarkE
20 Dec23:59 i i    i i         i  `* Re: Ool - out at first base?6MarkE
21 Dec08:13 i i    i i         i   `* Re: Ool - out at first base?5Martin Harran
22 Dec19:12 i i    i i         i    `* Re: Ool - out at first base?4Martin Harran
22 Dec22:07 i i    i i         i     +* Re: Ool - out at first base?2William Hyde
23 Dec07:49 i i    i i         i     i`- Re: Ool - out at first base?1Martin Harran
22 Dec23:53 i i    i i         i     `- Re: Ool - out at first base?1jillery
19 Dec18:44 i i    i i         `- Re: Ool - out at first base?1Mark Isaak
14 Dec 24 i i    i `* Re: Ool - out at first base?8DB Cates
14 Dec 24 i i    i  +* Re: Ool - out at first base?6erik simpson
14 Dec 24 i i    i  i`* Re: Ool - out at first base?5Martin Harran
14 Dec 24 i i    i  `- Re: Ool - out at first base?1Ernest Major
16 Dec20:16 i i    `- Re: Ool - out at first base?1Mark Isaak
13 Dec 24 i `* Re: Ool - out at first base?8Bob Casanova
10 Dec 24 `* Re: OoL – out at first base?2Kerr-Mudd, John

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