Re: Causal determinism and non-materialist atheism

On 31/12/2024 7:08 am, RonO wrote:

On 12/30/2024 10:36 AM, erik simpson wrote:

On 12/30/24 6:49 AM, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:

On Mon, 30 Dec 2024 22:56:48 +1100
MarkE <me22over7@gmail.com> wrote:
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I'm (tentatively) conceding some ground in this post against CS Lewis.
So no particular argument here; just for your end-of-year enjoyment.
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"If I say it 3 times, then it's true"?
[snipped]
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"The Hidden Problem with EVERY Atheist Argument"
https://youtu.be/Q1jQscSNtNU?feature=shared
(Don't be put off by the title)
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Philosophy;: see DNA -
"what we demand is facts"
"no no, what we demand is rigidly defined areas of uncertainty!"
(from HHGTTG, might not be remembered correctly)

C.S. Lewis doesn't express himself very clearly.  I've read little of what he's written, but he seems to me to be chasing his tail.
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 His notions in this regard have never amounted to anything substantive. What needs to be demonstrated is that they ever will amount to anything worth discussing further.  By this time you need to expect something useful to have come out of his arguments.  Why bring up a subject that everyone else has failed to do anything with for over half a century? What is the excuse for no one being able to establish some level of validity to the arguments?  It isn't because no one has tried.

I bring it up because I think it is a legitimate argument. The counter argument (e.g. Fodor) seems to partially address this, but not definitively IMO.

 This isn't like the ID scam where the reason that no ID science has ever been attempted is because the Biblical creationists at the ID scam unit have always expected to fail in accomplishing any valid ID science, and they definitely never wanted to succeed.  Kalk and Bill should tell us if they ever wanted the ID perps to succeed in demonstrating designer did it design for the Top Six best god-of-the-gaps claims of the ID perps.  The god that fills those gaps is not the god described in the Bible.
 Ron Okimoto