Re: D1.1 genotype H5N1

On 2/11/2025 10:55 PM, Bob Casanova wrote:

On Tue, 11 Feb 2025 21:11:27 -0600, the following appeared
in talk.origins, posted by RonO <rokimoto557@gmail.com>:
 

On 2/11/2025 10:20 AM, JTEM wrote:

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Obviously, it is you that was on another planet.  The US never had
lockdowns like China.  What happened was sparse and ineffective because

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There is zero room to argue here. The lockdowns were excessive.
The cost was extreme. The benefit was nil. The whole damn thing
was a foreseeable & foreseen mistake, assuming they weren't
intentionally trying to "Reset" the economy.
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What planet were you living on?  There never was a centralized plan to
control the infection in the US.  Actions like lockdowns were sporadic
and varied from state to state, and were pretty minimal when they were
implemented.  Arkansas tried, but neighboring states like Oklahoma
decided not to do it, so nothing much changed in Arkansas due to
boardering states with larger populations not doing much at all.
Testing and contact tracing were never really implemented population
wide, and states were pretty much on their own in terms of trying to get
their people tested.  Companies like mine had to implement their own
contact tracing and testing program months after it should have been
started after commercial testing became available.  Just recall how long
it was before the Biden administration gave everyone free Covid tests.
nearly a million people (probably more just were not counted) had died
by then.
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China tested whole city populations (10s of millions in each group),
isolated infected, and cleared Covid from their country early in the
pandemic, but the virus eventually came back (my guess is that some of
it came in with frozen food processed in other countries).  No one else
did that, and the whole world, including China, is still suffering
because of that failure.
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Just FYI, there were lockdowns in multiple jurisdictions.
Just because they weren't mandated nationally (which would
be illegal without a Federal emergency declaration) it
doesn't mean they didn't exist.

They existed, but not in any form that would be effective.  If your neighbors were not doing it, it failed, and as you point out they were also ineffective because there was no testing and isolation program like they had in China, and if everyone wasn't doing it it was a waste of time.  The US never bothered to identify all the infected.  Where in the US were they excessive?  States like Texas and Oklahoma opted to do pretty much nothing.
China was initially effective using lockdowns.  They forced whole cities to stay home and wait to be tested, and they were able to test millions in just a couple weeks.  They eradicated the infection in China for a period of time.  When the virus was reintroduced, they began to have compliance issues because it was repeatedly reintroduced, and the strategy failed.  My guess is that they needed to irradiate all the imports as well as implement their quarantine in order to keep the virus from coming back because the rest of the world failed to control the virus.  That never happened in the US.  Nothing even close happened in the US.
Ron Okimoto

 The lockdowns were indeed excessive in some venues (and
essentially ineffective; see the Swedish data for contrast)
and the costs were indeed extreme, in both personal and
economic terms.

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