Re: To sum up

On Tue, 18 Feb 2025 16:59:54 +0000, Martin Harran
<martinharran@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tue, 18 Feb 2025 21:41:42 +1100, MarkE <me22over7@gmail.com> wrote:
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On 18/02/2025 8:55 pm, Martin Harran wrote:

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I'm with many ID proponents who are openly Christians, but in the
context of debating the interpretation and implications of scientific
evidence, deliberately and correctly refer only to a non-specific
intelligent designer interacting with this material world from outside
of spacetime.

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Why do you feel the need to hide your religious beliefs; why not just
come out and talk openly about God? That seems to me a lack of
confidence in your religious beliefs or at least your ability to
convince other people.

Meant to add to above that I think there is an inherent subterfuge if
not outright dishonesty in what you and your fellow ID travellers are
doing; the very last thing you would want is for somebody to find
evidence of a designer who is not the Christian God - that would
probably be even worse for you than evolution being shown to be true.

I think Christians trying to promote their beliefs using subterfuge
are acting contrary to Christian principles and, whilst they might
have some limited short-term success, they will ultimately do more
harm than good to the spreading of Christian belief. That is why I get
so annoyed with this and come across as hostile to it.