Re: To sum up

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Sujet : Re: To sum up
De : {$to$} (at) *nospam* meden.demon.co.uk (Ernest Major)
Groupes : talk.origins
Date : 23. Feb 2025, 12:57:28
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On 23/02/2025 06:19, Mark Isaak wrote:
On 2/14/25 8:14 PM, MarkE wrote:
On 15/02/2025 1:53 pm, Mark Isaak wrote:
On 2/8/25 5:06 AM, MarkE wrote:
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My argument is therefore, as complexity goes up, the challenges to naturalistic OOL and evolution also increase.
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Evolution produces complexity without the least concern. Design tries to minimize it and create simplicity. As complexity goes up, the challenge to designed OOL also increases.
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"Evolution produces complexity without the least concern."
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You're making an assertion about a fundamental contention, i.e. the capability of evolution.
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Do you realise that's what you're doing?
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Do you realise that's neither an argument nor a rebuttal?
 I am thinking of the products of evolutionary algorithms. They get quite complex. And no wonder, since there is nothing inherent in the algorithms to limit complexity. On the other hand, complexity *is* limited by the algorithms of intelligent design, since the design needs to be simple enough for designers (and repairers and maintainers) to understand it.
 
An omnipotent omniscient designer isn't limited by an ability to comprehend the complexity. ID people get to resort to "mysterious ways beyond human understanding".
--
alias Ernest Major

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