Re: What points to the ID scam?

On Fri, 7 Mar 2025 21:09:56 -0600, the following appeared in
talk.origins, posted by RonO <rokimoto557@gmail.com>:

On 3/4/2025 10:00 AM, Bob Casanova wrote:

On Mon, 3 Mar 2025 19:30:33 -0800, the following appeared in
talk.origins, posted by erik simpson
<eastside.erik@gmail.com>:
 
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I've never understood the need for the ID proponents to prove that
evolution is wrong.  Certainly God could have done it that way, and do
they actually assert that he couldn't? My brother in law is a YEC, and
doesn't accept the larger God that can play with billions of years.
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That supports the idea that "Man created God in his own
image". It's neither logically consistent (given that belief
usually involves a deity more capable than His believers)
nor particularly religious ("God cannot do anything I
can't").
At best it's a failure of imagination. At worst it's a
denial of divinity.

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Have you read Lauri Lebo's book on the Dover fiasco?  Her take was that
creationists did it due to their fear of hell fire and damnation.  Not
necessarily for themselves (they were obviously saved) but for their
loved ones.  Anything that could be used as an excuse to disobey the
will of their god had to be stiffled and suppressed.
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No, I didn't read the book. But from your description, it
has nothing to do with what I wrote.

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MarkE likely suffers from that syndrome.  He now seems pretty fruit cake
in his beliefs about the ID scam when he had always pretended to be
circumspect and wary of the ID scam.  It seems that he needs to have
some excuse to be anti-evolution when he understands that there is no
scientific reason to be anti-evolution at this time.  He only came out
overtly in favor of the ID scam after all the other IDiots quit when
they could not deal with the Top Six in an honest and straight forward
manner.  Somehow MarkE can still take the IDiotic gaps one at a time and
pretend that they still support his religious beliefs.  This is true
even after he was forced to deal with the fact that the origin of life
gap that he was taking so much effort to define was, obviously, not
Biblical.  Somehow he has been able to lie to himself that the god that
fills that gap can still be the Biblical god, when he knows that gap
does not support the Biblical mythology that is his basis for his
evolution denial.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lauri_Lebo
Her book was "The Devil in Dover".  The Devil can be interpreted to be
the intelligent design creationist scam that brought out the worst in
creationist behavior within the community during the Dover fiasco.  She
also had a bit about her father in the NOVA video of the Dover fiasco.
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Ron Okimoto

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